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It is back, no suprises.
You can always get some third party stalks now. Ridiculous that it's come to that but if it really bothers you I guess it's a solution.
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Absolutely this...drives me mad, and the phantom braking is downright dangerous at times...I really hope a software update addresses it soon..
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There won’t be a software update that addresses it because theres only so much you can do with a camera-only system. The rain sensors have always been useless, and phantom braking has been a problem ever since Autopilot launched.
Radar cruise was considerably more useable on my Golf, I rarely bother with autopilot unless the motorway is pretty empty.
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The phantom breaking is annoying, and the auto wipers only really work when it's light. Once it's dark it just doesn't seem anything.
Assuming we are talking about the "Highland" then the primary differences RWD (or LR RWD) or LR AWD are:
- Full Premium Interior with the only visible difference being Alcantara on the door cards vs a more textured cloth material (very much personal preference as they are just different feeling).
- Premium Audio including more speakers / Subs in boot (RWD just had foam covers where the speakers would otherwise be).
- Additional Motor on front Axle
- Larger ~79kWh gross battery (also on the LR RWD)
- Faster charging vs SR RWD
That is about it as everything is generally included with the SR RWD car so you mainly only gain the Premium Audio and greater power / range from the AWD.
Having driven both all three (SR RWD, LR RWD and the AWD) the interior differences were easily forgotten leaving only the extra power and range being the obvious differences.
In terms of the Steering wheel buttons they take a bit of getting used to but you get used to them quite quickly in practice. Screenwash and High beam flash are both buttons on the steering wheel (one button wipe then press and hold for wash). I *think* you also press and hold the High beam flash for switching High beam on / off but I didn't get a chance to test this (all drives during the day). The car is generally setup to use auto High beam (Adaptive) as a default thus you generally won't switch it on / off very often.
I havnt had a single phantom brake since they went vision on my model 3, but the loaner I had for a week did it twice, auto pilot does the majority of my driving. I wonder why it varies so much. I did read that tesla now suggests cleaning the windscreen infront of the cameras (inside).
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I use AP all the time and I get the odd phantom breaking event, although it’s incredibly rare the car actually slams in the friction bakes. It’s more usual for the car to lift off and start regen braking which isn’t particularly strong at 70mph and a quick tap of the right pedal sorts it out.
It will pull on the brakes if another vehicle starts drifting into your lane, even if it’s not quite started crossing the white line yet but that’s not phantom braking.
What was more annoying is the dodgy speed data in the system for years. There are a few places on the A14 where the car cuts its set speed from say 70mph to 40mph. They seem to have fixed it now though, or they certainly have at the locations I use regularly.
As for wipers, mine work well the vast majority of the time but they are not perfect. Sometimes they can be a bit too slow to react to changes in precipitation.
It will pull on the brakes if another vehicle starts drifting into your lane, even if it’s not quite started crossing the white line yet but that’s not phantom braking.
What was more annoying is the dodgy speed data in the system for years. There are a few places on the A14 where the car cuts its set speed from say 70mph to 40mph. They seem to have fixed it now though, or they certainly have at the locations I use regularly.
As for wipers, mine work well the vast majority of the time but they are not perfect. Sometimes they can be a bit too slow to react to changes in precipitation.
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I only get phantom braking in one spot, ever - an exit off the M27 westbound, when I'm in the left lane. Hard braking with a note on the screen, something about slowing down for bend.
There's no bend.
Every time I pass that exit.
Yes, that’s the kind of thing I used to get on the A14 - although no message for a corner, just the set speed in blue would drop from 70 to 40.
Always the exact same place, repeatable every time, one of the locations was lane 1 only, the other two were all lanes.
I think it was all hangover from roadworks in that area from years ago in the data but as I mentioned, they seem to have fixed it at some point last year as it’s stopped doing it now.
That has been my thinking a lot about tesla's.
Dropped 150 years (nearly) of lessons learned from the car industry, 80 years of lessons learned from the aerospace industry and basically decided to speed run through problems that were often solved 50+ years ago after lessons were learned, often in blood.
Mind you some of the traditional car companies have tried to follow tesla's trend and thrown away some of those lessons as well. All controls you might need to use whilst the vehicle is in motion should be distinct, physical ones that are easy to reach and if need be ID by shape or feel (they learned that with the B17 and it's IIRC gear and flap controls* in the aviation industry when the realised how many aircrew they were losing on what should have been routine landings), you can put them on touchscreens with 3 level menus if you wan,t but in addition to actual easy to use physical controls not instead of.
minor rant
*From memory they were the same physical knob on the end of the same style of levers that moved in the same way, and were near each other, the result was that in the dark when the pilot was watching the instruments they'd often go to adjust the flaps and retract the landing gear instead, I think they found after just changing the shape of the knobs on one set of controls it significantly reduced the accident rate.
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My born sees 100mph in the 50 section of the M4 which is annoying as it accelerates pretty hard on ACC
Thanks, but where did you find this info?
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Not sure how you would clean the inside where the camera is. It's sealed on isn't it?
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It does say schedule a service appointment. Makes it sound that it's not diyable.
i expect it says schedule a service appointment because you’ll inevitably nudge the camera and take it out of alignment and it will need to be recalibrated.
IIRC, if you get the windscreen replaced by auto glass etc. part of the procedure is for Tesla to remote into the car and recalibrate the camera.
IIRC, if you get the windscreen replaced by auto glass etc. part of the procedure is for Tesla to remote into the car and recalibrate the camera.
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