The Tesla Thread

Dav4 said:
Such as?
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Is it so hard to look up the basics before posting rubbish?
It comes with a card that you can tap against the b pillar. In case you phone lost/dead etc.

Teslas also have a hell of a lot of security on them from being hacked,and yet some of you think they've had this oversight of something so blindingly obviuse, it's insane to have such opinions. Also although most devices don't use it there are secure protocols for modern Bluetooth.
 
Glaucus said:
Teslas also have a hell of a lot of security on them from being hacked,and yet some of you think they've had this oversight of something so blindingly obviuse, it's insane to have such opinions. Also although most devices don't use it there are secure protocols for modern Bluetooth.
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What like the ability to clone a new Ford key from the OBD port? I'd not class such security concerns as "obviuse"....
 
So Ford and BMW who have been designing car security systems for decades have the ability to get it wrong, yet Tesla who have been doing this for 5 seconds are somehow immune to any security risks even though the systems they implement are substantially more complex.

Right.

The difference between the two is simply the exploits have been identified in one system and not in the other, yet.......
 
Yes because ford have been building connected cars for so long,oh wait no they haven't.
Of course Tesla could get it wrong, however that's not what we are seeing.
Not only are all Tesla sub systems have their own encryption meaning access to one doesn't give access to the whole car, the other year they implemented software checking, meaning it's now next to impossible for third parties to upload new software to the car even if they gain access.

And you think ford etc have decades of experience in this LOL, they haven't even produced a single car like any of the teslas. Let alone have years of experience.
 
Glaucus said:
And you think ford etc have decades of experience in this LOL, they haven't even produced a single car like any of the teslas. Let alone have years of experience.
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I said Ford and BMW have been making car security systems for decades now, which part of that do you fail to comprehend? Even though they have vast amounts of experience they STILL manage to get it wrong and these systems are easier to design and code than anything Tesla is punting out.

So somehow despite a Tesla being hacked by the Chinese last year the updated cars are somehow impossible to hack.

Pull the other one.

I find it very interesting that the Tesla defense league seems to consist of one person, who has no real world experience of the cars he is so adamantly defending, but i suppose in a world of Google we can all be "Experts".
 
Glaucus said:
This isn't ford, this is Tesla who are very much in the software business, who are very aware of the risks and very proactive on securing their cars.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....lon-musk-mass-tesla-hack-basically-impossible
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Tell me then how 2 Tesla's disappeared in Germany last year from simply hacking the drivers account and then using a scrambling device in the car while driving away so it cannot be tracked never to be seen again?
A Chinese group also hacked Tesla twice and could control the car from 12 miles away. They done it to the previous model and the new one.
And there has been quite a few stolen in America. They are still rare cars so imagine how many will be getting stolen when they become mainstream and more people bother to work out how to take them
 
And since that Chinese attack they implement the software checking, you know like I said in the other post.
Rather than imagining how many will be stolen, on allready patched vvulnrabilities, imagine software company wich is very much security focused can achieve unlike other in the car industry. how many other cars have vulnrabilities that can be patched? These cars are very much different beasts.
 
Just like to point out that the software issues are usually found first by the people who hack them, not by the company who wrote the software.

But if Tesla has developed 'Perfect' security then perhaps the pentagon might be interested, they seem to have issues with things going missing, usually to the Chinese funny enough.
 
Probably a better option having it stolen, your dad will get tired of answering the same questions every-time he goes back to the car, the best thing to do is say: "i know what you are going to ask the answers are XYZ" and get in the car.
 
adolf hamster said:
indeed, this is why i firmly beleive the future is with hydrogen, if we can get the hurdle of storage cracked it'll remove basically every problem an ev has whilst keeping every advantage it has.
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Hydrogen is a great idea, except for the storage, transportation and distribution problems. The cost. And the huge energy loss involved, meaning we'd need tens of gigawatts of extra production to support HFCVs compared to BEVs.
 
satchef1 said:
Hydrogen is a great idea, except for the storage, transportation and distribution problems. The cost. And the huge energy loss involved, meaning we'd need tens of gigawatts of extra production.
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the transportation and distribution problems are solved if we crack the storage- which granted is the hard part.

as for the cost, once it gets done on a wide enough scale it'll cheapen up, digging oil out of the ground is hardly cheap but when you do it on as big a scale as the oil industry it winds up pretty cheap.

as for the power- we'll need to be building a bunch more nuclear power stations to power an all electric future anyway, so a few more isn't going to make the situation much worse.

it sounds bad looking at it now, but then so did the idea of building towns that stand on the sea bed and drill miles into the sea, didn't stop us from getting there eventually.
 
Glaucus said:
You mean $44k for the 320mile version. Probably what most people think they want, it's not what most people need. 200miles would do me and most people fine. Day to day vast majority of people don't get anywhere near that mileage and it's long enough that a 30min charge isn't an issue, that's over two hours driving at motorway speed limit.

I'm surprised how little extra weight there is compared to its competition. Or with current tax incentives it's can go over much cheaper cars as well.

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Want and need are two different things, although you're right, there doesn't seem to be a requirement for other upgraded specs if you want the long range model.

Going back to the wants and needs, if you're buying a Tesla then it's largely because you're interested in the longer range than any other brand, and the auto pilot features. If you're not getting them then there's little reason to wait a year or two for delivery when you can get an equivalent model for a similar/cheaper price from another manufacturer.

Personally I'd be looking for the range extension and the AP and eventual EA, with the heated seats option and possibly the non black option, so that's $52-59k without tax...! Little rich for me to consider it as an option tbh.
 
Amp34 said:
Want and need are two different things, although you're right, there doesn't seem to be a requirement for other upgraded specs if you want the long range model.

Going back to the wants and needs, if you're buying a Tesla then it's largely because you're interested in the longer range than any other brand, and the auto pilot features. If you're not getting them then there's little reason to wait a year or two for delivery when you can get an equivalent model for a similar/cheaper price from another manufacturer.
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What models are cheaper easier to get?
Nissan leaf isn't released yet, the bolt is a compliance car that is only being sold in limited statesand meant to be making a loss on each one sold(however is the cheap per mile range than the standard model 3, more expensive than the long range model 3). Not to mention Tesla super charger network.
And then there's the question about the state of the batteries and thermal management in other makes. Point
So it's still not as easy a choice as you make out and cbine that with the self driving hardware that comes in all cars and can be unlocked when you have some more money down the line.


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