The Tesla Thread

Glaucus said:
What models are cheaper easier to get?
Nissan leaf isn't released yet, the bolt is a compliance car that is only being sold in limited statesand meant to be making a loss on each one sold(however is the cheap per mile range than the standard model 3, more expensive than the long range model 3). Not to mention Tesla super charger network.
And then there's the question about the state of the batteries and thermal management in other makes. Point
So it's still not as easy a choice as you make out.


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Weirdly the US Tesla site quotes a different range for the 75D in comparison to the UK site. For example in the UK the 75d now quotes 304 miles.
 
Cleisthenes said:
Weirdly the US Tesla site quotes a different range for the 75D in comparison to the UK site. For example in the UK the 75d now quotes 304 miles.
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I don't know but I imagine it's down to the difference in tests between USA and Europe.
It's something where we really do need real world range being advertised.
 
I'm not suggesting it's a simple choice, rather the field opens up significantly if you're not looking for the extended range option or the autopilot, the two major selling points of Tesla (that and they actually have a vehicle that looks nice).

Why wait two years when you can pick something else up in a month or two?

The positive about going for a regular branded vehicle will be the enhanced dealer network so it's not a one way street.
 
Glaucus said:
As I said what can you pick up which is similar in a month or two.
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That very much depends where you are. The Bolt depending on which country, part of country. For example I could go and order the Bolt today and get delivery way before the Tesla. The new E Golf has a 125 mile range. You have a one-two year wait for the Tesla don't forget so Opel will probably have stuck a Vauxhall badge on the Bolt for you way before he first 3 enters the UK.

The extended range and AP are the halo products of the Tesla. Ignore those and it's just another electric car with a massive waiting list and slightly better range (but still not the range of a normal vehicle).
 
By the same argument some people will get their model 3 soon. There is no chance of getting a bolt in the UK without importing etc.
125m range and for how much is not in the same class.
Now that doesn't mean there won't be in the next 24 months, but at the moment you can't go out and get a similar spec and price.
The closest would probably be a second hand model s with either no or ap1
 
A lot of concern for them being stolen ont his thread. Even if the risk is there, its not like they are a particularly useful car to steal...

Its not like you can chop it apart and make loads of money from the parts...
 
It probably isn't a big thieves target. They tend to go for trendy/popular cars, usually ones with interchangeable body parts (so they sell S3 parts on ebay to people with base spec A3s). Rare stuff and cars with bespoke designs tends to be ignored. Because demand for OEM parts is quite low.
 
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Glaucus said:
By the same argument some people will get their model 3 soon. There is no chance of getting a bolt in the UK without importing etc.
125m range and for how much is not in the same class.
Now that doesn't mean there won't be in the next 24 months, but at the moment you can't go out and get a similar spec and price.
The closest would probably be a second hand model s with either no or ap1
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I think you're missing the fact you can't just go out and get a Tesla either. Anyone outside of the US has at least a 1 year wait, for the RHD version you have 18 months, even if you were first on the list.

If you can get your Model 3 soon then great, but that's a select few in the US, whereas there are plenty of options available that are similar for those in the rest of the world if you're not interested in AP and the extended range version.

All that said the Bolt is having supply problems too for whatever reasons, but it's still likely to hit European and Canadian shores in numbers before the Model 3, and that's a perfectly "good" car to buy instead of the Tesla if you really must have the 200+ mile range, but aren't interested in 300+ mile range (not going to be a huge number of people that actually need one but not the other).

Yes Tesla have some great innovations and I like their cars, but as soon as you remove the two main innovations (extended range and AP) they are little different to any of the other manufacturers, and in fact with a limited dealer network and supply chain may end up being more of a pain.
 
Amp34 said:
Opel will probably have stuck a Vauxhall badge on the Bolt for you way before he first 3 enters the UK.
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Unlikely. GM have said they have no interest in producing a RHD Bolt: http://www.caradvice.com.au/512128/...-drive-still-off-the-cards-gm-president-says/
That's an Aussie publication but the statement stands:

GM Executive Vice President said:
The answer is that we’re in the business of making money and we need to put vehicles into markets where there is a commercial opportunity. By me standing here and saying look at us we’re global [by just producing a right-hand drive version of the Bolt] isn’t anything that really excites me
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Right now. If you want a long-range EV your only choice is Tesla. The other manufacturers either can't, or won't produce a competitor at this time which is really rather short-sighted.

I really thought that with the Model-S released we would have some competition from the Germans within a few years.
 
Nasher said:
Another problem is Tesla dealers. They are almost as rare as Suburu dealers :p

You might have to go miles to get it serviced.
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For the majority of stuff they send a Tesla ranger to you.
They are also opening up more places and they have made it far easier for other garages to get certified.
Also being an ev there is no mandated service, just a rip off do nothing suggested service.
 
Rilot said:
Unlikely. GM have said they have no interest in producing a RHD Bolt: http://www.caradvice.com.au/512128/...-drive-still-off-the-cards-gm-president-says/
That's an Aussie publication but the statement stands:



Right now. If you want a long-range EV your only choice is Tesla. The other manufacturers either can't, or won't produce a competitor at this time which is really rather short-sighted.

I really thought that with the Model-S released we would have some competition from the Germans within a few years.
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I'm surprised too, but then they've presumably done some work looking into the viability of long range vehicles and either they've decided it's not technically feasible for the price point they're looking at (unlikely considering the Bolt EV is sold elsewhere), or that perhaps people just aren't as interested in long range EV right now (outside of a small group of vocal enthusiasts that are connected to the Tesla brand as much as EV).

As much as there are a huge number of preorders in total how many of them are for the UK? And if so how many of them are are going to be for the base model? I just can't see it tbh. You buy a Tesla for autopilot and a decent range. For me 200 miles just isn't decent enough. It's that awkward middle ground. Not long enough for a long drive, but no better than the vehicles with 100 mile range for the daily commute/city car.
 
Nasher said:
It probably isn't a big thieves target.
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It will be it has four doors and enough room for four men to Jump in and out of a 0-60 in 5 seconds with brutal instant acceleration. Why do u think they target 5 door S3's and Golf R's? They certainly don't steal a Golf to look cool in driving round on false plates it's because the plods diesels can't catch them
 
Dav4 said:
It will be it has four doors and enough room for four men to Jump in and out of a 0-60 in 5 seconds with brutal instant acceleration. Why do u think they target 5 door S3's and Golf R's? They certainly don't steal a Golf to look cool in driving round on false plates it's because the plods diesels can't catch them
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They steal them for parts. Or to ship off to Eastern Europe with fake documents.

Every so often the police raid a garage and find it stocked to the roof with Audi, RR, Merc, VW, Vauxhall, Ford parts etc.
 
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