The Tesla Thread

Orionaut said:
I love the way that all one has to do to make General public and politicians alike lose their minds is add a couple of extra zeros to the sum. :confused:

(Not getting at b0rn2sk8 here, just people generally :p)

100Kw! Really! That is a ******* electric arc furnace!

Unless I have got my sums badly wrong somewhere, 100Kw is enough power to melt (MELT) 1Kg of Aluminum every 4 seconds or so :eek:

100Kw, Rolls off the tongue nicely. I dare say there will be plenty of people who will be perfectly happy to hook their nice green EV up to the supply line and spend 10 minutes or so pumping this amount of energy into a small metal box full of volatile and toxic alkali metals and whatever while they go off and have a cup of coffee, perhaps they will leave their kids in the back to play with ******* and facepalm while they do it too.

Me, I think I would prefer to be in a concrete bunker, perhaps 400 yards away!:eek:
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But you are happy to pump a flammable liquid into a confined space surrounded by potential ignition sources whilst standing 1ft away with the kids in the car, right?
 
Joe T said:
One of the many charging solutions should include cheap and basic chargers at airport car parks and the like. These could even be of similar spec to a three-pin household plug. It doesnt matter the rate of charge given the long periods involved. There's probably a few other applications for these sort of chargers as well. As they're pretty basic they should be cheap and easy to install.
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That would be one solution, it doesn't matter if its slow because the car is parked overnight minimum but the access to these ports has to be widely available, even if I have to pay (as opposed to Norway who have a totally free network). To come back from a 2 week holiday only to add another hour on top at a service station, meh...
 
Orionaut said:
I love the way that all one has to do to make General public and politicians alike lose their minds is add a couple of extra zeros to the sum. :confused:

(Not getting at b0rn2sk8 here, just people generally :p)

100Kw! Really! That is a ******* electric arc furnace!

Unless I have got my sums badly wrong somewhere, 100Kw is enough power to melt (MELT) 1Kg of Aluminum every 4 seconds or so :eek:

100Kw, Rolls off the tongue nicely. I dare say there will be plenty of people who will be perfectly happy to hook their nice green EV up to the supply line and spend 10 minutes or so pumping this amount of energy into a small metal box full of volatile and toxic alkali metals and whatever while they go off and have a cup of coffee, perhaps they will leave their kids in the back to play with ******* and facepalm while they do it too.

Me, I think I would prefer to be in a concrete bunker, perhaps 400 yards away!:eek:
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100kW is nothing.

Tesla will soon roll out 350kW chargers, and a company called ChargePoint has developed a modular charger able to output up to 400kW (once there's cars available that can take that much power).
 
First 100kW charger at PlugSurfing!
As of mid July PlugSurfers can charge at the first high-performance-charger in the Netherlands thanks to the cooperation between Bolscher B.V. - owning and operating the station-, and the municipial of Enschede, who is providing the place to it.
We are very excitied about the fact that two electric cars can charge DC at the same time, using ChaDeMo or Combo connectors with a potential charging speed of 100 kW, while a third AC connector is also available.
Huge step in the eMobility movement, right?
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Was just reading a news story about plans to build "pollution tunnels" over motorways to help reduce the toxic pollution near villages towns and cities etc. Highways england have been given £100m by the govt to improve air quality by 2021. The story says other aims are to install EV charging points every 20 miles on 95% of all roads.

http://news.sky.com/story/pollution-tunnels-being-planned-for-uk-motorways-10971686
 
Firestar_3x said:
But you are happy to pump a flammable liquid into a confined space surrounded by potential ignition sources whilst standing 1ft away with the kids in the car, right?
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There is a massive difference between a "Flammable Liquid" (That cannot burn unless air is present) and an electric battery, and you know it.

An electric battery is more like an explosive, all the chemicals required for the reaction are all together, in close proximity, in the same box.

And yes, fires when refueling petrol cars are not that uncommon (Look on youtube) I mostly drive diesel which is nowhere near so explody, but when I am driving my petrol ones I do require my passengers to decamp while I am refueling.

(The risk is very low, the consequences though are potentially devastating, and the cost of taking precaution is trivial. No-Brainer really :p)

satchef1 said:
100kW is nothing.

Tesla will soon roll out 350kW chargers, and a company called ChargePoint has developed a modular charger able to output up to 400kW (once there's cars available that can take that much power).
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And that is just insane.

What is the charge voltage going to be? How many amps going down the cable?

Are motorway service stations going to have to be provided with their own personal power stations?

EV's are nothing new. I wonder how many people realise that EV's came before ICE. The first car to exceed 60MPH was an EV, there was a very brave attempt to replace hansom cabs with EV's back in "Sherlock Holmes's" day.

But the problems have always been the same. It is easy making one EV, it is very hard making 100's of millions of them.

And, as I said before, in this country alone (Let alone globally) there are many millions of people who rely on the fact that it is possible to get a perfectly functional 10-15 year old car that will perform just as well as a new one for a grand or so.

This is not going to happen with EV's! Not ever.

The EV revolution will see millions of poorer people forced off the road altogether. Of course all the wealthy Tesla buyers will just love this, Nice empty roads for them to feel all self righteous about driving on...:(
 
Orionaut said:
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And, as I said before, in this country alone (Let alone globally) there are many millions of people who rely on the fact that it is possible to get a perfectly functional 10-15 year old car that will perform just as well as a new one for a grand or so.

This is not going to happen with EV's! Not ever.
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I really dont see why this is the case. You seem to be taking the fact that new early adopters of new technology tend to pay a lot for a new product that it wont then become cheaper. Actually that's exactly what happens. Early adopters pay the price that allows mass production for everyone else to follow.

The cheapest pure-EV on Autotrader is £7k and it's only 6 years old. How cheap do you think that same car will be when it's 10-15 years old? It wont be £7k that's for sure!

And as far as say third world countries go, EVs + solar panels allow communities that live 'off grid' to have reliable transportation.
 
The cheapest pure EV on Autotrader is £3k (Renault Fluence). Or without being tied to a battery lease, £3,747 (Citroen C1 Electric).
 
satchef1 said:
The cheapest pure EV on Autotrader is £3k (Renault Fluence). Or without being tied to a battery lease, £3,747 (Citroen C1 Electric).
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Bloomin' sponsored ads. Although a bunch of ads show up at c.£7k+ on the default (sponsored ads first), but they dont identify themselves as sponsored. Odd. And sneaky.

Anyway, it makes my point much more valid than it already was! :D
 
Diagro said:
Really? It's annoying?

I try and stop every hour whilst driving long distance. And I have a petrol car.

I get extremely tired very quickly whilst driving. The reason I don't know.
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Every hour? How do you get anywhere?! :p

satchef1 said:
So where's the merit in the eGolf then? It's the same price, yet vastly more inconvenient for you.

It's really bizarre that it's taken pages to basically say "The Model 3 LR is the only EV below £50k that I could own as the rest don't have enough range". The fact that the LR isn't £35k also seems an odd complaint when the only EVs with more range are the S and X in 100D or P100D spec, both of which costs tens of thousands of pounds more.

Give it a few years. Then an EV that actually meets your requirements, at a price point you're happy with, might actually exist.
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There aren't any for me. The same to a major extent with the shorter range Tesla. They're great for commuting I'm sure, by are both gimped for longer trips. That has been the whole premise of the argument for several pages now and why I believe they are broadly equivalent when AP and ER are taken out of the equation. Unfortunately the argument against consistently became a technical one, ignoring the point.

I'm also not complaining that price, just making an observation that as much as we all want it to be the $35k Tesla isn't particularly unique. The car I'm willing to bet most people really want is the all day range autopilot version, which will be in the range of $50k, not $35k. I just gave an example of my own usage case to reinforce the point. :)

Edit: let's remember where this debating point started.

This is what I said.

Going back to the wants and needs, if you're buying a Tesla then it's largely because you're interested in the longer range than any other brand, and the auto pilot features. If you're not getting them then there's little reason to wait a year or two for delivery when you can get an equivalent model for a similar/cheaper price from another manufacturer.
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And I stand by that. Without the ER and AP you can get a model from another manufacturer that will be just as useful for most people that end up buying the base model, except you won't have to wait 18 months.
 
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Amp34 said:
Every hour? How do you get anywhere?! :p



There aren't any for me. The same to a major extent with the shorter range Tesla. They're great for commuting I'm sure, by are both gimped for longer trips. That has been the whole premise of the argument for several pages now and why I believe they are broadly equivalent when AP and ER are taken out of the equation. Unfortunately the argument against consistently became a technical one, ignoring the point.

I'm also not complaining that price, just making an observation that as much as we all want it to be the $35k Tesla isn't particularly unique. The car I'm willing to bet most people really want is the all day range autopilot version, which will be in the range of $50k, not $35k. I just gave an example of my own usage case to reinforce the point. :)
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Only stop for a wee and a stretch. A redbull or donut to power me through lol
 
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