The Tesla Thread

Joe T said:
You shouldn't really be driving for more than 2-2.5 hours without a break anyway.
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1st counter argument- people shouldn't do something doesn't mean the same as wont

2nd counter argument- who says it's the same driver? i've been there on long haul trips on holidays where we swap drivers to give people a break, but that's a 20s pit stop by the side of the road for an ic car.
 
Haha, some of the counter arguments are hilarious.

If you use a car for silly long journeys without stopping and are always short on time to the point where you cant spare half hour here or there, then yes EV arnt for you. For most people however, they are becoming more viable.

I can understand if you dont have a practical place to charge it but knocking it because you cant drive silly distances without stopping is a bit much. If everyone on this forum was so practical about their non EV, no one would have anything exciting :p
 
Joe T said:
Ah yes, the old "EVs aren't suitable for the last 0.0001% of journeys that people do therefore they are useless and we should stick with gas-guzzlers" argument.
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For that one long trip a year, it's a bit silly.
We do a 275-300 mile (each way) Cornwall trip 3-4 times a year but we stop for 30-45minutes, so If we can get a 50% charge in that time, then all is good.
 
Joe T said:
Ah yes, the old "EVs aren't suitable for the last 0.0001% of journeys that people do therefore they are useless and we should stick with gas-guzzlers" argument.
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tbh my statement was more focused on the point of people driving for longer than 2.5hrs without taking a break is a thing that happens, and at the minute is only facilitated by ic, if we assume for a minute that ev's with a 500 mile range and a 5 minute charge time are a reality, then the exact same scenarios will occurr with them, regardless of wether or not you "should" take a break every 2.5hrs for the purposes of your own stamina.
 
Amp34 said:
Every hour? How do you get anywhere?! :p



There aren't any for me. The same to a major extent with the shorter range Tesla. They're great for commuting I'm sure, by are both gimped for longer trips. That has been the whole premise of the argument for several pages now and why I believe they are broadly equivalent when AP and ER are taken out of the equation. Unfortunately the argument against consistently became a technical one, ignoring the point.

I'm also not complaining that price, just making an observation that as much as we all want it to be the $35k Tesla isn't particularly unique. The car I'm willing to bet most people really want is the all day range autopilot version, which will be in the range of $50k, not $35k. I just gave an example of my own usage case to reinforce the point. :)

Edit: let's remember where this debating point started.

This is what I said.



And I stand by that. Without the ER and AP you can get a model from another manufacturer that will be just as useful for most people that end up buying the base model, except you won't have to wait 18 months.
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I think I'm seeing the problem here; you're in Canada. 500 miles probably seems like a short jaunt, which is why the base spec M3 isn't much more useful than other EVs :p

I'd say 150-200 miles without stopping is pretty typical in the UK TBH. And journeys longer than 400 miles (half the length of the country) are fairly rare. 220 miles is a workable range.

It's not the Model 3 I'm waiting on. It's the new Leaf. Once new, cheaper, longer range cars start launching, I'd argue you have a point.
 
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I'm surprised, despite so much moaning by what must be the vocal minority, the reservation list is growing by 1800 per day average since the delivery event
 
satchef1 said:
I think I'm seeing the problem here; you're in Canada. 500 miles probably seems like a short jaunt, which is why the base spec M3 isn't much more useful than other EVs :p

I'd say 150-200 miles without stopping is pretty typical in the UK TBH. And journeys longer than 400 miles (half the length of the country) are fairly rare. 220 miles is a workable range.

It's not the Model 3 I'm waiting on. It's the new Leaf. Once new, cheaper, longer range cars start launching, I'd argue you have a point.
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Nah, I gave examples in the UK for trips I have done in the past. Its 2 hours on the motorway, which will get you about halfway up the country. That's why I moved the boundary to 250 miles, you were the one suggesting 500 miles :p, and Glaucus suggested a trip across Europe.

For my Canadian journeys I was also talking about travelling less that 300 miles. Honestly I think the 220 mile version could just about do the trips I'm thinking of, but I'd have to be very careful and from online experience it seems range drops significantly on cold, snowy days.

Honestly I'd still love the idea of getting one, but I'm just not sure I could justify getting the base model. To use the same analogy again, it's a bit like buying the base model 1 series BMW. Yes it's a BMW, but it's really not the car you actually want. :)

But your comment does back up the point that the range differential between the E Golf and the base Tesla isn't the biggest issue in the UK, it would be a bigger issue here, but then the Bolt EV is available here. :p

Glaucus no one is moaning except perhaps you, who took offence when I dared to suggest the Tesla without AP and ER was little different to several other models available now and/or the near future depending on where you are. :p

I just feel that the Model 3 without ER and AP isn't as big a win as many are making out. It's not the first production EV at a "reasonable" price point with a range greater than 200 miles for example - that's the Bolt EV. If the 300 mile range and AP was in the $35k package then it would be a big breakthrough. But they aren't, so it's not. That doesn't make it not a great car though.
 
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Speaking of tesla's, i dropped some parts off to a customer who works at tesla's service station on the outskirts of edinburgh, this was just a small portion, there must have been at least 50 tesla's all in

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Just lol again, it's not even remotely the same, keep kidding yourself. Range is massively different as is the technology in the car
 
Glaucus said:
Just lol again, it's not even remotely the same, keep kidding yourself. Range is massively different as is the technology in the car
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But the end user experience isn't. Something you're missing time and time again. Not everything is about technical specs.
 
Amp34 said:
But the end user experience isn't. Something you're missing time and time again. Not everything is about technical specs.
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Yes it is. A considerable reduction in recharging stops on long journeys, and a reduction in the time spent during each recharge. As I demonstrated pages ago, this results in long journeys being hours shorter. That's a huge difference.

I'm an EV owner who has driven most of the current crop of cars. I've put almost 20,000 miles on my car in 18 months. So my opinion comes from a position of experience, rather that what I perceive EVs to be like. And I know, from first-hand experience, that a car with reliable 150 miles range would be a significant improvement, let alone one that can do 200+.
 
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Amp34 said:
But the end user experience isn't. Something you're missing time and time again. Not everything is about technical specs.
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Nope, not at all, something I've tried explaining time and again to you. The end experience is massively different. Hence why for the last few years most people have moaned that EVs only have a hundred miles range but have been saying they need 200+
 
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