The Tesla Thread

Lashout_UK · 2 Mar 2018 at 11:28

Glaucus said:
Lol they can build, support and deliver them. They've been doing that for years. You can get an s or X at anytime.

Took four months to get the parts to repair my neighbour's Model S. They even considered it writing it off, because it didn't look like they'd ever get the parts. Not uncommon, even more so in the UK. Quality is still pretty abysmal, too.

Tesla simply does not have the mass-scale manufacturing experience or infrastructure it needs yet to become a mass-market, reliable car company. It's absolutely tiny compared to the mainstream brands. Still very much a tech start-up style affair.

Glaucus · 2 Mar 2018 at 11:31

Lashout_UK said:
Took four months to get the parts to repair my neighbour's Model S. They even considered it writing it off, because it didn't look like they'd ever get the parts. Not uncommon, even more so in the UK. Quality is still pretty abysmal, too.

Tesla simply does not have the mass-scale manufacturing experience or infrastructure it needs yet to become a fully fledged, reliable car company. It's absolutely tiny compared to the mainstream brands.

Ah n=1
There's bad stories for ever car manufacturer. And there are horror stories for Tesla especially repairs, but so are there for ever manufacture. The vast majority are extremely happy and they always rank highly in owner feedback.
There warranty and service are generaly excellent.
Yes they are small but growing every year.

[TW]Fox · 2 Mar 2018 at 12:07

Glaucus said:
You've never osted you like a HyperCard, find that hard to belivem.

Find it as hard to believe as you want, I have no desire to own a hypercar

Glaucus · 2 Mar 2018 at 12:13

[TW]Fox said:
Find it as hard to believe as you want, I have no desire to own a hypercar

that wasn't what you said, you said no posts in a hyper car thread.

Rilot · 2 Mar 2018 at 13:03

Glaucus said:
why would people buy that over a longer range, more technologically advanced car and with supercharger network?
this is what I don't get, they think they can come in with high price mediocre cars and compete. About all they can compete on is how hard it is to get a model 3 but s&x is easy and within a year, 3 should be easy to get as well.

Simple. There are 10 Tesla service centres in the UK. There are hundreds of JLR service centres. If a car breaks down or needs a service people do not want to have to drive a very long way to get it sorted.
Also, people trust Jaguar as a brand. Tesla is too new to have built up any brand trust.

Phate · 2 Mar 2018 at 13:16

Rilot said:
Simple. There are 10 Tesla service centres in the UK. There are hundreds of JLR service centres. If a car breaks down or needs a service people do not want to have to drive a very long way to get it sorted.
Also, people trust Jaguar as a brand. Tesla is too new to have built up any brand trust.

I get the impression that when getting a Tesla there will be times where you have to accept certain things and put it down to them being a new brand still figuring some things out.

[TW]Fox · 2 Mar 2018 at 13:20

Phate said:
I get the impression that when getting a Tesla there will be times where you have to accept certain things and put it down to them being a new brand still figuring some things out.

Exactly and lots of people are not interested in that sort of experience.

Phate · 2 Mar 2018 at 13:23

[TW]Fox said:
Exactly and lots of people are not interested in that sort of experience.

Totally understandable.

For us we will get the Model 3 early 2019 (I am sorely tempted to put the deposit down now as it is refundable, just to get my place in the queue) but the waitlist for Portugal itself won't be high anyway. We will keep a normal car and exchange the Passat for a Polo/Mini/Smart/any other suitable small car and see how it goes with the Model 3. Whilst we figure out A) electric car ownership and B) see how much we actually end up using the normal car and then go from there.

Definitely have to go in with the mindset of "well...its Tesla and they're new" though. That will mentally prepare us for some of the unexpected, maybe.

kitkat9933 · 2 Mar 2018 at 14:22

I've had a Tesla Model S100D for 4 month now. Been a great experience so far, nothing negative. I'm lucky that I live near a service centre but I've had no reliability issues.

I can have weeks doing 4k miles and some weeks doing 50 and the Tesla works spot on for my use. I normally find 280-300 mile useable range easily fits around the amount of time before I want loo/food/drink bridge.

In 10k miles, I've only had 1 experience where I've had to stop to charge more than I would have stopped in an ICE car anyway and it was close to dinner time anyway it just restricted where we went.

pioneer2000 · 2 Mar 2018 at 14:22

Jonnycoupe said:
Not sure that’s a fair comparison given either £50k V6 version of the F Pace doesn’t offer 400bhp and you have to have spec F Pace will incontrol touch pro.

Quite an amusing launch event with jack Whitehall though, I put a video in the YouTube thread. Model X race was pretty direct too!

Jaguar have lost their mind, the marketing department should be sacked.

1) That whole Jack Whitehall sketch with the 2 children was an absolute cringey car crash.

2) Racing a Tesla? It's a hatchback / SUV.... totally missing the point to appease the internet teenagers who do these kind of drag races.

3) Could they be anymore blatant getting a copycat Jonathen Ive voice over to detail it's new fangled features. Again, cringe.

Jonnycoupe · 2 Mar 2018 at 14:40

Glaucus said:
why would people buy that over a longer range, more technologically advanced car and with supercharger network?
this is what I don't get, they think they can come in with high price mediocre cars and compete. About all they can compete on is how hard it is to get a model 3 but s&x is easy and within a year, 3 should be easy to get as well.

More advanced. No mate.

Ryan-3 · 2 Mar 2018 at 14:52

Nasher said:
Ok for going to work and back and shopping, but not a lot more.

Thing is, a large portion of the general public have a car to do exactly this and not a lot more.

b0rn2sk8 · 2 Mar 2018 at 14:56

Do we need an iPace thread?

You do have to think that the established brands are very worried about Tesla when they directly compare their cars. You never say see BMW compare the 3 Series to the C Class in any of their events/press releases.

The main issues with the iPace right now is that you are still stuck on 50KW CCS in the UK should you need to fast charge it and there are hardly any of them in the UK currently. Ecotricity have 1 per service station and according to Zap Map there are issues with far too many of them.

That being said the iPace is still going to be very much a low volume car for now. Jaguar only sell about 180k/year cars across their entire range. That's only around twice what Tesla do now before Model 3 has really hit its stride.

Lashout_UK · 2 Mar 2018 at 15:23

b0rn2sk8 said:
That's only around twice what Tesla do now before Model 3 has really hit its stride.

Tesla has built 250,000 cars in 14 years. Nissan can build that number of Leafs in a year!

It's got a long way to go on the production front. The Model 3 lines are still a complete nightmare and the quality is all over the shop.

Amp34 · 2 Mar 2018 at 16:01

VincentHanna said:
So the 298 mile range isn't real world then? Because AFAIK the Tesla's do pretty much what they claim on EPA

I started speccing one up out of curiosity and with everything I would have wanted it was coming out at £75k. The base model (£60k) didn't even have leather seats.

Interior looks lovely compared to a Tesla though.

Sorry, to clarify, the 298 range is the new EU (WLTP) testing regime, which is predicted to be around 240 miles on the EPA test cycle, which is what most of the Tesla’s are quoted on.

So basically it’s likely to have a range a bit more than the base 3, but not close to the long range that the initial range rating suggests.

Amp34 · 2 Mar 2018 at 16:05

Rilot said:
Simple. There are 10 Tesla service centres in the UK. There are hundreds of JLR service centres. If a car breaks down or needs a service people do not want to have to drive a very long way to get it sorted.
Also, people trust Jaguar as a brand. Tesla is too new to have built up any brand trust.

And well, there’s choice. It’s a wonderful thing.

For us, as I’ve posted before, we are tempted by the Model 3 but it’s not the ideal vehicle for what we want, so more choice in the EV market is a good thing in my books. The more small SUVs that come out the better as that’s what we ideally want to get (Hopefully closet in range to the Kona than the jag...). That said, as we just bought a new pickup, replacing the car is probably going to be delayed another year or two - hopefully then there will be a fair few more options!

b0rn2sk8 · 2 Mar 2018 at 16:32

Lashout_UK said:
Tesla has built 250,000 cars in 14 years. Nissan can build that number of Leafs in a year! It's got a long way to go on the production front. The Model 3 lines are still a complete nightmare and the quality is all over the shop.

I never said it didn't, I was more pointing out the fact that Jaguar as a brand really isn't that big either and the iPace isn't going to be a 'Tesla killer' as it just isnt the complete package either. It also adds some perspective of how much Tesla have grown over the last few years and are growing rapidly. How long until they overtake some of the smaller brands like Jaguar?

I would say it is a bit of an exaggeration to say the model 3 lines are nightmare. It's been widely reported the main issue is with production of the battery pack not the actual car. They are doing over 1k a week in Model 3 now which is a big difference to where they were at xmas.

I'm sure Nissan can build loads more Leaf's and it is a good little car but lets face it, it is a far simpler car from a brand that sells millions of cars a year and yet they still can not build a car with a decent sized battery pack.

Jonnycoupe · 2 Mar 2018 at 16:44

It’s Jaguar Land Rover. Not just Jaguar.

Nissan could build a decent sized battery! Just the brand isn’t strong enough for the price it would be sold for.

IPACE thread or just the EV thread would be welcome.

Phate · 2 Mar 2018 at 20:53

https://electrek.co/2018/03/02/ultra-fast-electric-vehicle-charging-network-fastned-europe/ - Another 350kw network in announced!

Phate · 2 Mar 2018 at 23:15

b0rn2sk8 said:
Tesla use type 2 in Europe on all their cars and always have.

You will struggle to get anything bigger than a 7.2Kw home charger for a EV in the UK. You need three phase for 22kw and hardly any cars actually support it. Almost all cars are type 2 in Europe, only only notable exception is the Gen 1 leaf. The gen 2 is Type 2.

With that in mind when shopping for a charger I would be most concerned with:
1) Security (when EV's become mainstream can someone else plug their car in when I am not home and steal my electric, can someone steal the cable or charger)
2) Cable type (tethered or un-tethered)
3) Reliability
4) Price
5) Looks

Totally missed this in the thread progress, thanks for the reply!

Security is a good factor to consider...ideally I'd like the charger to be in my garage away from the public but if not then yep, something only I can use is essential. The Model 3's onboard charger can handle a max of 48amps/11.5kw which gives around 44mph when charging. Meaning from completely flat to 100% is around 7 hours ish. Not that it would likely ever be in that position but thats the absolute "worse case scenario" anyway.

Not sure on the electrical limits here in PT without having to have specialist electrical work. IE can an electrician wire in one of these at 11.5kw without needed to rewire the entire house? Honestly no idea on these kind of things and the requirements to get the desired power output. All things to look into over the next months