The Tesla Thread

Nasher said:
240 mile range isn't great though. Plus you probably lose 25% of that from battery degradation. So in reality well under 200 mile range :/

Ok for going to work and back and shopping, but not a lot more.
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As much as 25%?!??!?? Over what timeframe? Is there something wrong with JLR's design or something?

The below image is from a community project tracking degredation in Tesla vehicles. The source is here: https://teslanomics.co/what-is-the-lifespan-of-a-tesla-battery-and-how-long-will-it-last/

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75% seems a long way off for the vast majority of Tesla owners.

I drive a four year old Leaf that's still got 12/12 battery health bars. I've just handed back a two year old Zoe that had 96.8% of its original capacity.

The only car I know of that could be said to have genuine degredation problems is the Japan-built, 2008-2013 Leaf. Approx 25-35% degredation after 6-7 years.

I'd wager that most people will have sold, or handed back, their I-Pace long before the battery hits 75% capacity. Even then, in a country that's only 600 miles long and 271 miles wide, 180 miles of range is far from useless. The average driver wouldn't use a full charge in a week.
 
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Rilot said:
Simple. There are 10 Tesla service centres in the UK. There are hundreds of JLR service centres. If a car breaks down or needs a service people do not want to have to drive a very long way to get it sorted.
Also, people trust Jaguar as a brand. Tesla is too new to have built up any brand trust.
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There's no guarantee that servicing and repair coverage will be better with Jaguar. They have more service centers. But will every service center have EV trained technicians and the equipment needed to deal with the I-Pace?

Some manufacturers have good coverage for EV servicing and repairs. Some don't.

AFAIK, the I-Pace isn't expected the shift big numbers. Maybe hundreds in the UK this year. So it seems likely that service centers will be regional, similar to how other low volume EV manufacturers handle servicing and repair.
 
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satchef1 said:
There's no guarantee that servicing and repair coverage will be better with Jaguar. They have more service centers. But will every service center have EV trained technicians and the equipment needed to deal with the I-Pace?

Some manufacturers have good coverage for EV servicing and repairs. Some don't.

AFAIK, the I-Pace isn't expected the shift big numbers. Maybe hundreds in the UK this year. So it seems likely that service centers will be regional, similar to how other low volume EV manufacturers handle servicing and repair.
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Maybe, but the vast majority of issues that a car will face are not going to be due to the powertrain. Or are you telling me that non EV-trained Jaguar dealers won't be able to change brakes, bodywork, broken trim, etc?
If I have an issue like that with my XJ then a dealer who can sort it is a 20 minute drive away. If I had a Tesla then I'm looking at heading in to London.
I don't think Tesla are ready for volume sales in the UK. They will be but that time is not now.
 
Rilot said:
Maybe, but the vast majority of issues that a car will face are not going to be due to the powertrain. Or are you telling me that non EV-trained Jaguar dealers won't be able to change brakes, bodywork, broken trim, etc?
If I have an issue like that with my XJ then a dealer who can sort it is a 20 minute drive away. If I had a Tesla then I'm looking at heading in to London.
I don't think Tesla are ready for volume sales in the UK. They will be but that time is not now.
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The driver's side electric window stopped working in my Zoe. The local dealer wouldn't touch it. Same story when the car needed to be serviced. A minor service is just a cabin filter change, so not really a big deal. Both were something their existing mechanics could have done, but they wouldn't touch it.

Maybe JLR will be different. Maybe they won't be. The point is, there's no reason to assume that JLR are any better placed than Tesla when it comes to afterward support for EVs. They could be. But equally, they may not be.
 
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In Portugal all movies are shown in their native language with PT subs yes. You also get a break midpoint through the movie to run to the bathroom or something. However The Algarve may be different because it's primarily full of Brits :p

Sorry it's not that helpful but I've not really been to The Algarve tbh :)
 
Phate said:
However, I read a really good point on Electrek regarding other manufacturers taking "hits" at Tesla (namely Porsche) and also Jag comparing their I-Pace. Should manufacturers not be advertising how good the EVs are compared to other ICE equiliant vehicles? Rather than trying to take market share from other EVs? Isnt the idea of an EV to better for the planet and environment...the whole point is to reduce emissions, cost and all the rest of it? :p

For me, competition will always breed more competition and the ones who benefit are us, the customers. But I feel at this stage in the EV game all the players should be showing comparisons to ICE vehicles more to get more people to switch over and improve overall EV market share.
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I think they should market on both fronts. It's much better for Porsche to attract a buyer who was going to buy a Tesla than a buyer who was going to buy a non-electric Porsche. There's also an element of Tesla being earlier to market than most, so others don't want to really push EV generically until they are fully ramped up themselves (i.e. you should only promote a market if you are actively engaged in that market, if you aren't quite there yet I think it makes more sense to promote your forthcoming products, and encourage people to wait for that).
 
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-track-day-laguna-seca.109818/

The Tesla Model 3 got pushed to its limits at the world famous Laguna Seca Raceway recently, depicting what could very well be the electric car’s first real-world high-performance test.

Model 3 owner Matt Crowley decided to take his electric car to the Laguna Seca Raceway after his track car, a Porsche Cayman GT4, ended up in the shop for repairs before his scheduled run.

In a post on the Tesla Motors Club, Crowley admitted that he expected the Model 3 to run full power for about two laps before the electric car’s software limits its performance. Much to Crowley’s surprise, however, the Model 3 ran nine laps (his entire session) without slowing down.

The fact that the Model 3 was able to handle nine laps on a racetrack without the car’s software limiting its performance is noteworthy. The Model S’ track performance, after all, has been limited greatly by the car’s software, as noted by professional race car driver Robb Holland when he took the full-sized electric sedan around the 12.9-mile Nurburgring.

During the nine laps that he ran on the Laguna Seca Raceway, Crowley noted that he used up 135 miles worth of range on his Model 3. His best lap was a conservative 1:57.50

While the Model 3 managed to last Crowley’s entire Laguna Seca session without the car limiting its power, the vehicle’s brakes were compromised during the track session. According to Crowley, the car’s brake pads were completely used up by the time he was on his fourth lap. Determined to test his car’s capabilities, however, the Tesla enthusiast opted to continue pushing his Model 3, using the car’s regenerative braking to compensate for the vehicle’s lack of brake pads.

Overall, Crowley believes that if he had a better set of brakes, or if he had better driving skills, he could have easily managed to set a better lap time for his Model 3. The Tesla enthusiast asserted, however, that the car was perfectly balanced and its handling was superb during the entire track session.
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Most conventional cars would be wasted after a few lap of Laguna Seca. Sounds like it fared pretty well. :)

There's one on display at the Geneva show, as an aside, and on a worse note. The quality of it is abysmal – panel gaps are terrible, there's glue all over the place and plastics are shoddily finished and of a low grade. Extremely cheap trim, too. Described by my colleague as: 'Sparse.. overall, a strangely modest thing, blandly styled, plain.'

Shame, really. You think you'd pull the stops out for something that was going to be on public display (although, as far as I'm aware, it's not part of a Tesla display).

Mind you, have seen similar from other brands from time to time (on limited volume early cars)... but not on such a scale and to such an extent.
 
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The model S serpentine jackets along the banks of cells was a bit crude, guess the revision was required anyway as they moved to 20700.
 
https://electrek.co/2018/04/02/tesla-model-3-production-rate-elon-musk/

Over 2000 units a week. Dividing that by 7 days is close to 300 Model 3s a day. He mention he also expects this number to grow comfortable in the next 7 days. Its expected to have an "official" confirmation via public statement this week to investors. Excellent news :)

I am guessing that must be like 90% automated by this point? Then increasing production will mean additional assembly lines now the nooks and crannies is figured out? Thats a complete guess though :)
 
Ouch, $710 million loss and Musk dodging questions. I wonder how much money he has behind him, because he needs to double production at the moment to even break even. Sounds like it is going down the pan. Shame.
 
Making them is only one part - can they consistently sell 4000 Model S per week, week in, week out?

I notice that the Model S on a track gets about 15% of it's normal "fuel" economy. That's not too bad.
 
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