The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

gpuerrilla · 8 Dec 2020 at 20:10

humbug said:
Yea, JayZ2Cents went from being quite upbeat about the 6800XT to being completely down on the 6900XT.

And this is what he did.

Took out all the 1080P and 1440P benchmarks, where AMD does well
Took out Firestrike from the synthetics benchmarks, where AMD does well.
Took out Assassin's Creed Valhalla, which was the only AMD title he had to start with, took it out and claimed it was broken.
Claimed it used far too much power despite it using the same as the 6800XT and much less than the 3090, claimed it was tripping his power supply which is a known problem with the Nvidia cards and not the AMD cards
Claimed AMD's drivers are broken.

And then concluded it was a bad card.

I think he Cucked to Nvidia, sadly.

He is an ultra **** for sure. Strange fella, unsubbed years back due to his obvious bias.

Chud_Jenny · 8 Dec 2020 at 20:20

Besty said:
re: powerlimit. if it’s the same deal as the 6800XT AIB versus reference it’s the reference boards TDP limit kicking in behind the scenes rather than just the +15% power slider limit. That’s how i read it from the Red Devil and Asus LC reviews.

i.e even though the Red Devil has exactly
the same +15% power slider limit, the extra TDP the hardware provides allows the chip a smidge more room over reference.

Getting a gpu wet saves 4% per 10C temp drop. So you can give yourself an extra 10%+ by reducing leakage.

Zernath · 8 Dec 2020 at 20:23

Th0nt said:
He is an ultra **** for sure. Strange fella, unsubbed years back due to his obvious bias.

Money can do that to a person. Unfortunate, but seems to be the case with a lot of reviewers these days.

FoxEye · 8 Dec 2020 at 20:25

Jimbo said:
Oh it wasn't just me then. I after fighting many refreshes with my browser got a 6800XT all the way to the final step of pay and it failed on me. Not my money but AMDs crappy site. Gutted I am. £600 shipped too. What a shower. It's still in my basket now and let me go right through again only after I press pay it says sorry out of stock. It's just cruel.

Most of us got to the checkout and were ready and willing to pay

You're hardly alone, there's loads of us here who tried to order.

Being too slow is one thing; having to use secret backdoors to complete the checkout is another tier of stupidity/ balls up

Gregster · 8 Dec 2020 at 20:26

I like Jay and he adds a bit of humour to reviews, which I like. NVidia biased? Probably but at the same time, I still watch

gpuerrilla · 8 Dec 2020 at 20:30

Gregster said:
I like Jay and he adds a bit of humour to reviews, which I like. NVidia biased? Probably but at the same time, I still watch

I have chuckled at his gags to be fair, its usually in my 'recommeded' feed if I go on youtube so skim them if its a hot topic. He just needs to drop the blatant bias, or maybe its not blatant to him, ho-hum.

TheMoeBlob · 8 Dec 2020 at 20:45

Issue with Jay is that even if he isn't biased he comes across as teriby biased.

He seemed in the 6900xt review to pick and choose benchmarks, he also seemed to keep the amd driver narrative running which we know hasn't been an issue this release

gpuerrilla · 8 Dec 2020 at 20:46

He got salty as they didnt send him some hardware once. Serves him right for being a *****. As for the cherry picking, well thats why people turn off for him. Its as obvious as grim and ECH shilling their brands on here!

TheMoeBlob · 8 Dec 2020 at 20:52

Th0nt said:
He got salty as they didnt send him some hardware once. Serves him right for being a *****. As for the cherry picking, well thats why people turn off for him. Its as obvious as grim and ECH shilling their brands on here!

The biggest issue is forum users can pick and choose favourites and send as many messages as they want because they get ignored.

Jay has a big audience, his word has weight. So if he says "drivers are bad" it's suddenly true even if it's not true.

gpuerrilla · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:03

TheMoeBlob said:
Jay has a big audience, his word has weight. So if he says "drivers are bad" it's suddenly true even if it's not true.

Aye true, but people who are intelligent enough to make their own decisions wont really take on any tuber influence particularly ones that are interested in keeping their own channels propped up. With these people its more about marketing, side-earners and camera play rather than proper tech opinion.

TheMoeBlob · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:13

Th0nt said:
Aye true, but people who are intelligent enough to make their own decisions wont really take on any tuber influence particularly ones that are interested in keeping their own channels propped up.

I don't think amd care about their 'fan base'. They care about expanding their market share and mind share. Unfortunately that means they have to get the unintelligent people that listen to tubers on side as well

Zernath · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:19

TheMoeBlob said:
Unfortunately that means they have to get the unintelligent people that listen to tubers on side as well

It's worked incredibly well for Nvidia over the years, so why not?

TheMoeBlob · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:20

Zernath said:
It's worked incredibly well for Nvidia over the years, so why not?

My point was Jay saying something negative about amd has much wider consequences with regards to amds reputation than I think we often think

humbug · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:22

Reviewers are the only window into what the cards are like, it could be the best card on earth, which i don't think it is, but it doesn't matter how good it actually is if the reviews are bad it might as well be as bad as they say it is as people will think that.

Jay has a huge audience, its certainly big enough to have an effect on sales, not much anyone can do about that but if it was me, if i was AMD i would look at that review, conclude it for what it is and cut all ties with the guy, tell him why, politely and then black list him.

His 6800XT review was good, i think Nvidia hated it and he gets a lot of paid sponsorship from Nvidia's partners, EVGA, Asus........ all it takes is for Nvidia to apply the thumbscrews there, and they will tell him you have to conform if you want to continue your relationship with us.

I get that, he's used to being paid very handsomely for sponsored content from these guys, and he doesn't want to lose that revenue, but if i was AMD i'm not going to enable it, he's done as far as i'm concerned.

Zernath · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:23

TheMoeBlob said:
My point was Jay saying something negative about amd has much wider consequences with regards to amds reputation than I think we often think

Perhaps, but then let's be brutally honest, the folks who listen to one YouTuber are the type of folks who would mindlessly buy Nvidia regardless.

TheMoeBlob · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:26

Zernath said:
Perhaps, but then let's be brutally honest, the folks who listen to one YouTuber are the type of folks who would mindlessly buy Nvidia regardless.

Oh certainly, but that's the exact situation Amd are trying to overcome

Richeh · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:35

Have been following this thread for a couple of weeks, I don't have any of the new cards and no intention of buying a new one soon. But so far in this thread I think 'Don't listen to: Linus, Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, Jay and one other I can't remember because they are biased towards nvidia'. Am sure it happens in the NV threads as well but can't find it specifically but is this just the general AMD bias behavior or with legitimate evidence to back it up?

humbug · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:36

TheMoeBlob said:
Oh certainly, but that's the exact situation Amd are trying to overcome

Exactly, AMD can overcome their competitiveness, that doesn't actually matter, its not even half the battle, the real problem is how much power their competitors have over reviewers.

What AMD need to do is find independent reviewers, people who don't have an audience and do it as a passion for it and support them, lift them up, invest in them, build a relationship with them and do what it takes to make them go big.

Get people on their own side, IMO there is probably only 1 actually independent reviewer left out of the top 10, there is no such thing anymore and none of them are an advertising arm for AMD, this is the real problem and that is what AMD need to change, you can't beat them by keeping your distance on principle, you have to join the fight.

FoxEye · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:43

The "real problem" atm is that AMD can't even manufacture these damn things in any quantity above "lol, here's 10 units for the whole UK".

And nobody has any confidence they can improve output significantly much before 2H 2021.

I wouldn't worry too much about reviewers. Seems to be the last of our problems.

TheMoeBlob · 8 Dec 2020 at 21:45

FoxEye said:
The "real problem" atm is that AMD can't even manufacture these damn things in any quantity above "lol, here's 10 units for the whole UK".

And nobody has any confidence they can improve output significantly much before 2H 2021.

I wouldn't worry too much about reviewers. Seems to be the last of our problems.

All the problems are cumulative though, they add up and granted they all need solving but it's a jigsaw that makes up the bigger picture