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Greebo said:
just a heads up, i bought 20 bottles of nicotine from vape escape last night, £3.50 a bottle for 54mg stuff. They are having their final reductions before they close.
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What size are the bottles? I'm getting low on nic base.
 
I went into a local shop, dropped £70 on everything I needed last week to get me started and have been really enjoying vaping. I'm very pleasantly surprised.

The juice I was given at first was giving me headaches but the guy just said that would be because the strength was too high.

So I tried a few in the store and chose Njoy Dragon Scape and chose a 30ml bottle of that in the 6mg.

Just thought I'd post a newbie positive experience as reading through some of this thread is pretty confusing.

I think I'll try a 10ml bottle of another Njoy artist collection in 3mg soon. If I did buy it and wanted to switch it up can I just rinse out the tank I have and go ahead or do you guys have separate tanks for your juices?

Cheers and happy vaping :)
 
Voltar said:
I went into a local shop, dropped £70 on everything I needed last week to get me started and have been really enjoying vaping. I'm very pleasantly surprised.

The juice I was given at first was giving me headaches but the guy just said that would be because the strength was too high.

So I tried a few in the store and chose Njoy Dragon Scape and chose a 30ml bottle of that in the 6mg.

Just thought I'd post a newbie positive experience as reading through some of this thread is pretty confusing.

I think I'll try a 10ml bottle of another Njoy artist collection in 3mg soon. If I did buy it and wanted to switch it up can I just rinse out the tank I have and go ahead or do you guys have separate tanks for your juices?

Cheers and happy vaping :)
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A very positive post indeed and well done for giving it a go and getting off the fags...
As for trying new juices, id say most of us have more than one tank, i have at least half a dozen RDA's, a dozen RBTA's and tend to have at least 2 different juices on the go as i carry two mods and tanks where ever i go. One small mod for the car and my main mod for everything else.
 
Texas bound, just about to fly to Heathrow with a 4 hour wait for my connecting flight. Just found out Heathrow has a vaping zone in terminal 4, YEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Been enjoying my Subtank Mini with TI wire on temp control at 40J/235 degrees C, but starting to get a hankering for a bigger/better rebuildable - interested on people's recommendations, something in the £20-£30 price range?
 
I am at the moment exclusively using dual claptons, 26 claptoned with 32 awg in every device I have, the performance is ideal, vapour and flavour are consistent every time. The epoch D1 is still my go to atty, flavour is still superior compared to the goblin and plume veil but I thought I would have a go at a more exotic coil so the other day attempted a staggered fused Clapton for the dripper.
Due to some issues I am having with my hands at the moment my first attempt ended with 26 awg clapatond with 32awg claptond with 32 awg. Seems it is going to be tricky to wrap 2 strands of 32 but I thought I would try it, turns out it is amazing if not a little large, flavour was immense with a single coil, far better than any dual coils I have used but well beyond what my biggest device, a 50w istick can fire, so I think I will have to invest in a larger device with a larger dripper.

I have also found that after using cotton bacon v2 for the last three months the Japanese organic pads just taste awful, at first I didn't have a lot of love for the CBv2 but now I notice quite a bit of bedding in needed on the JOCP, the CBv2 just tastes cleaner so much faster. You need a slightly looser fitting wick with the bacon but once you have that dialled in it's sublime.

On juice I spent the other day mixing, tweaked the froyo clone a lot and I'm pretty happy with how that is and hopefully all the cream and yogurt in it should thicken over the course of the steep, I modified it to have a much fruitier blueberry taste and am going to play with a couple of small batches and add in some menthol and koolada.

Looper is mixed but I have made more of a focus on the berry crunch than the fruit circles as they seem to impart too much of a citrus taste for my liking, I am thinking that with how it tastes at the moment the recipe would really suite some fizz, how is going to be a challenge though. I did read on some forums that TFA sour and koolada in combination can impart fizz but no luck as of yet with that in various percentages. I am going to order some champagne and see how I get on with that though it seems to have some pretty mixed results around the web.

Biscotti, this mix is just horrendous at the moment though that may be down to the almond as I have always found that to be very artificial and overpowering when first mixed, I will leave it to steep for a week and then see about tweaking it.

I have managed to misplace my liquid stevia and it is bugging me so I havn't managed to sweaten any of the mixes yet, I am also on the look for something to give a thicker mouthfeel, maybe some mts will help as I am already at max VG. Has or does any one use flavour art MTS?
 
Success!
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Fresh pair of eyes and a fresh pair of hands and its done, surprisingly cooler than I expected but flavour is spot on, single coil 5 wraps @ .28 ohm firing at 50w.
 
That is a truly beautiful coil , well done.
Surprised it works so well for you @ 50w , might have to have a go a making a pair myself.
I did buy some Clapton wire form the Crazy Wire Co , the dual twisted 24 gauge NiChrome , Claptonised with 32 gauge NiChrome.Very tough to build with , virtually had to wrestle a pair into my Twisted Messes RDA.These Ohmed out .12 ,really good vape @ 125w & not to hot.
 
My Mrs still uses these but her family keep telling her it's worse then smoking and there are more cancerous ingredients in these than a normal fag.

Who is right? Should she stop or is she safe?

#confused
 
Camalot said:
My Mrs still uses these but her family keep telling her it's worse then smoking and there are more cancerous ingredients in these than a normal fag.

Who is right? Should she stop or is she safe?

#confused
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Rubbish, hold on while I find the thread on it recently and copy paste my essay! :D

Edit: found it, here you go:

I worked in a local shop that sells totallywicked products for the last 3 months or so, and I've picked up a lot of knowledge and experience of vapers as a result.

First off, the vast majority of your vapour is PG, propylene glycol, and VG, vegetable glycerin, both of which are used in foods, cosmetics, asthma inhalers, food-safe lubricants, PG is even used for some water insoluble drugs for IV injection. There is no doubt these are safe for inhalation. Tests with prolongued exposue (I believe it was 8 hours) of tobacco smoke, PG/VG and air with artifically grown lung cells showed no discernible difference in cell viability between air and PG vapour.

Nicotine itself is harmless in reasonable quantities. E-liquids should be kept away from children of course, because drinking a bottle could prove fatal, however the same can be said of countless household products, so I don't believe that should be a mark against vaping. Tons of people drink coffee, and the physiological pro's and con's aren't too dissimilar.

There may be some concern to be had with some of the flavourings. The famous example is 'popcorn lung', which sounds horrible but it's a term to describe the origin, not the symptoms thankfully. 8 workers in a buttered popcorn factory developed the respiratory problems after prolonged exposure to inhalation of diacetyl, a common "butter" flavour, deemed safe for ingestion but unknown to be damaging to the lungs. This is present in quite a few butters/custards/creams, but most companies are aware of this and have removed them from their repertoire. Acetoin, diketones, acetyl chloride and possibly others are also suspected as damaging, and again, manufacturers are seeking to, or have, removed them from their liquids.

Personally I DIY and seek flavours without these chemicals, I enjoy vaping, and even though I'm down to 1-2mg/ml, and could quit, it's a fun, and tasty hobby. The important thing is that *because* this practice has arisen out of a desire for harm reduction, tests are always being performed to determine, and remove any harmful chemicals. There might be one or two slightly damaging compounds (I say slightly or else there'd be tons of sick vapers, I haven't heard a single case yet), but time, and the endeavours of the scientific community will sort these out.

The main thing to take away from this is that vaping is several orders of magnitude safer than smoking, while retaining the same feel and nicotine hit that many have come to enjoy. It is very rewarding when you can help a little old lady pack in the fags, and save her a boatload of money in the process. For many the benefits are clear, no more cough, no more smell, and I've chatted to tons of people for whom vaping has changed their life. Those who stigmatize these people based on misconceptions and fear can go suck a cloud.

With that said I do believe there is an element of courtesy to be had. Just because I believe it safe, and for passive vaping to be a smaller risk than the pollutants already in the air, doesn't mean others think the same, so it's not fine or polite to go blowing it in people's faces, or filling an indoor area with fog, unless explicitly stated. If I'm walking down the street I'll purposefully exhale away from people. Last night I was having a few drinks with friends in a reasonably quiet bar. I exhaled downwards, and there was definitely no vapour near anybody else, but a bar member asked me to stop. Rather than get uppity and start giving lectures, I accepted it and went outside when I fancied a vape, no problem.

edit: One further point, one thing I have seen is teenagers picking up vaping because they think it's cool, not to quit smoking. This is a bad thing in my opinion, and detracts from the positive impact vaping has had. I refuse to sell to anyone under 18, or anyone looking to "just get into it". It's a safer smoking alternative, but it's still going to have some impact greater than simply breathing air, not to mention the addictive nature of nicotine.
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Basically avoid your dodgy corner shop homebrew liquids and she'll be fine.
 
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Kanifee said:
Success!
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Fresh pair of eyes and a fresh pair of hands and its done, surprisingly cooler than I expected but flavour is spot on, single coil 5 wraps @ .28 ohm firing at 50w.
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Top job dude, the next step for us both is a stapled version (running cores inbetween the outer claptons).

Must be vaping like a champ :)
 
Dude said:
That is a truly beautiful coil , well done.
Surprised it works so well for you @ 50w , might have to have a go a making a pair myself.
I did buy some Clapton wire form the Crazy Wire Co , the dual twisted 24 gauge NiChrome , Claptonised with 32 gauge NiChrome.Very tough to build with , virtually had to wrestle a pair into my Twisted Messes RDA.These Ohmed out .12 ,really good vape @ 125w & not to hot.
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Don't get me wrong, with how cool it is I think it could quite easily manage another 20-30w and still be cool enough to manage.

TommyV said:
Top job dude, the next step for us both is a stapled version (running cores inbetween the outer claptons).

Must be vaping like a champ :)
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Yip vaping beautifully, amazing how much flavour these exotic coils unlock, also amazing how much juice they drink but I suppose the two go hand in hand.
Really need to go ahead and order a dna200 device before I try any more complex builds. I have no interest in temp control, I really don't enjoy the vape half as much as straight kanthal and rarely get any dry hits so it isn't needed. The preheat will be nice though. I did have a better experience with a kanthal Claptond with ni200, vape was warmer but still lacked.
 
One question for the DNA40 people and TC, i had a brain wave last night, and wondered if i should be using the atty lock feature when using the TC side of things, something ive not been doing and probably is the reason why i cant get it working...im asking before i waste more wire lol and hair too :D
 
Yip vaping beautifully, amazing how much flavour these exotic coils unlock, also amazing how much juice they drink but I suppose the two go hand in hand.
Really need to go ahead and order a dna200 device before I try any more complex builds. I have no interest in temp control, I really don't enjoy the vape half as much as straight kanthal and rarely get any dry hits so it isn't needed. The preheat will be nice though. I did have a better experience with a kanthal Claptond with ni200, vape was warmer but still lacked.
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Must say my experiences with TC very similar to yours (especially with Nickel) ,i did build a 24 gauge Nickel core Claptoned with 32 gauge Nickel(ohmed out @ .06) & tried this with DNA 200.Absolute pain to build but vaped well ,if i changed to 1 of my regular Kanthal builds it seemed washed out flavour wise so binned it.
Having played with TC on the DNA 200 for nearly a month i can now get a great vape , ticks all the boxes for me( using Ti).Still more maintenance than Kanthal builds & i can achieve the same with Kanthal.
Having researched Ti a lot recently it does seem to me that i will continue using it & accept the higher maintenance.
 
KnightStalker said:
One question for the DNA40 people and TC, i had a brain wave last night, and wondered if i should be using the atty lock feature when using the TC side of things, something ive not been doing and probably is the reason why i cant get it working...im asking before i waste more wire lol and hair too :D
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Ideally yes, locking the resistance (when cold/fresh/room temp) tells the chip what the resistance is at base, so the temperature is calculated correctly using the change in resistance as the coil heats up. Not locking it can cause everything to become 'shifted' so to speak, so the mod thinks 25°C is actually, say, 75°C, meaning 200°C actually only heats to 150°C, and this will change over time as you use it, so you'll get a very inconsistent vape.
 
Camalot said:
My Mrs still uses these but her family keep telling her it's worse then smoking and there are more cancerous ingredients in these than a normal fag.

Who is right? Should she stop or is she safe?

#confused
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2 sides to the coin are:

1. Do you believe corrupt Government scientific institutions who historically only care if there is financial gain in it for them?
2. Do you trust what is is perceived as biased scientific opinions of vapers who have top medical professors who carry out their own research?

- If you choose 1. Then Public Health England have carried out independent research saying it is 95% less harmful than smoking.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...armful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

- If you choose 2. Then they also say it is safer than smoking. http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php

Therefore those who are for and those who were against smoking previously have concluded the same thing. Tell her family to do some research before spouting crap. They can start by reading something simple:

http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/a...top-ecig-studies-to-silence-the-doubters.html
 
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