***The Vapers Lounge*** 2.0

[Frozennova]

Going to buy a couple more 18650s for the VTC mini.
I currently have 2x Samsung 30Qs but I find they don't last long enough, sure I get the day out of both of them but would like more...
I also bought a Nitecore D2 charger last week which is OK but takes an age to charge to full...only cost me £13.50 from the bay though so pretty god VFM.
When I buy 2 more batteries the charge time will obviously be less of an issue.
At least the battery is full of charge though which the VTC mini on-board charger won't do, it always seemed to charge to about 90%.

Dripped juice all over my leg earlier as I forgot to close the filling cap on the Crius - whoops.
The Crius keeps leaking slightly from the juice flow control ring but found that twisting it a few times sorts that out - at least for a while.
One of the main reasons for buying the Crius in the first place was because I got fed up of the leaky Subtank mini...I have a moleskin coat and don't want to end up with a stain - no matter how nice it might smell.

Unfortunately you aren't going to get a battery that lasts longer than the 30Q. Best thing to improve battery life is by swapping to a dual battery mod.

By doubling the cell count you halve the amp draw each one sees which effectively increases their capacity

 

[UKDTweak]

Not sure but think the I2 charger only does 750mAh charge which will take a while, the VTC Mini USB will charge at 1000mAh so will charge much faster than your external, charging to 90% will improve the life of your battery...
However, id invest in a better charger, especially if you are planning to get more batteries, the Xstar XP4 or LUC V4 will both do 1000mAh charging, the latter can even do 2000mAh.

 

[Sandycheeks]

D2 charger only does 500mAh.
Like I say, won't seem as bad once I get more batteries.
I start the day with a fresh battery and that pretty much gets me through work, I then pop a fresh one in once I get home and charge the other - rinse and repeat.
The fact it takes about 4 hours to charge is just a minor annoyance really.
I should have listened to the advice and gone for the better charger but hey ho - live and learn.

 

[adolf hamster]

What atty are you using, wrapping cotton Around the coil... why not Through the coil as normal?

Still the subtank plus, i'm building 2.5mm coils and theyre as big as you can fit. Airflow was suffering so i figured it'd be better to try a vertical coil, gice me nice uninterrupted air flow through the coil whilst retaining the same amount of vapour production.

Sadly the rba doesnt seem to take to it that well, ahh well was worth a try.

Managed to salvage some of the mess of wire that was produced last night, sadly making a new coil today noticed one of the posts has got loose (too much dry burning/heavy manhandling getting the coils to fit).

Defo starting to think i need something with an easier to build deck, was looking at the smok tfv4 but not so sure, really what i need is something with big capacity thats a bit easier to coil on, although im starting to wonder if i'm pushing the limits of what current tanks can do.

 

[UKDTweak]

Ah right, i see what you tried, the subtank RBA is not very good for verticals, my prefered build on it is dual twisted 26awg, 2.5mm ID and wicked with Rayon, works great upto about 30w, no leaks and great flavour.

 

[TommyV]

Going to buy a couple more 18650s for the VTC mini.
I currently have 2x Samsung 30Qs but I find they don't last long enough, sure I get the day out of both of them but would like more...
I also bought a Nitecore D2 charger last week which is OK but takes an age to charge to full...only cost me £13.50 from the bay though so pretty god VFM.
When I buy 2 more batteries the charge time will obviously be less of an issue.
At least the battery is full of charge though which the VTC mini on-board charger won't do, it always seemed to charge to about 90%.

Dripped juice all over my leg earlier as I forgot to close the filling cap on the Crius - whoops.
The Crius keeps leaking slightly from the juice flow control ring but found that twisting it a few times sorts that out - at least for a while.
One of the main reasons for buying the Crius in the first place was because I got fed up of the leaky Subtank mini...I have a moleskin coat and don't want to end up with a stain - no matter how nice it might smell.

I found that closing the juice flow + air flow, then sucking in MTL style would clear up the AFC juice leak for most of the day. Annoyed to a point where it's now been sold though.

As for battery life, try upping your ohms slightly and lowering the watts, it's all about the watts/volts it's kicking out

 

[adolf hamster]

Ah right, i see what you tried, the subtank RBA is not very good for verticals, my prefered build on it is dual twisted 26awg, 2.5mm ID and wicked with Rayon, works great upto about 30w, no leaks and great flavour.

My current is 0.5mm (sorry avid metric user here) with 0.25mm wrap, my last one was 4 wraps around a 2.4mm drill bit followed by my current which is the same but 6 wraps.

Seems to be fine at the 40-45w range when wicked right, but the screws into the posts dont seem to be well designed for wire that heavy, and it's tricky to get everything crammed in and you have to stretch out the wrap around the screw as it just can't fit a 1mm diameter wire.

The vertical was an experiment, horizontal is fine but i'm definately thinking i'm outgrowing the subtanks rba and want something a bit better, the issue is finding something that fits the bill in terms of size (7ml ish), airflow (same or better) and having a better deck.

Its probably me being to picky wanting to try and get big clouds, big flavour in a package that lasts for a whole day without refilling

 

[Sandycheeks]

Its probably me being to picky wanting to try and get big clouds, big flavour in a package that lasts for a whole day without refilling

That's the Holy Grail right there!

Tried Squonking?

 

[adolf hamster]

That's the Holy Grail right there!

Tried Squonking?

Thats a good point, although in terms of mods/rda's that work together i'm not that sure on whats hot and whats not.

The other thing i really need to do is get me a good stealth setup for cinema, atm i've been using a nautilis on a p3, which whilst effective also suffers from being somewhat tall, might try and grab some 18350's for it at some point.

 

[pgi947]

Its probably me being to picky wanting to try and get big clouds, big flavour in a package that lasts for a whole day without refilling

You'll want to try get a hold of a VCMT 30mm or see how the Aromamizer Supreme turns out

 

[adolf hamster]

You'll want to try get a hold of a VCMT 30mm or see how the Aromamizer Supreme turns out

I'll bear that in mind, i'm at the point where i'm almost contemplating designing my own tank and getting it made up, would cost an absolute ton to do though

 

[Dude]

You'll want to try get a hold of a VCMT 30mm or see how the Aromamizer Supreme turns out

The thing is with the 30mm VCMT you can build such big coils that vaping 90w+
will still empty the tank with in a few hours.
Nothing stopping you building a little more conservative & making the tank last a lot longer.

 

[pgi947]

I'll bear that in mind, i'm at the point where i'm almost contemplating designing my own tank and getting it made up, would cost an absolute ton to do though

Yeah, you could look at modifying an existing product, iirc thats how the 'monster' tanks were spawned through modding kayfun/KF-Clone tanks.

The thing is with the 30mm VCMT you can build such big coils that vaping 90w+
will still empty the tank with in a few hours.
Nothing stopping you building a little more conservative & making the tank last a lot longer.

Haha yeah I can well imagine, a beefy pair of clapton coils in the aromamizer will sup up 120w+ easily and drain the 3ml tank fairly rapid. Yup you could still go with something like 6-8 wraps of twisted 26awg in it and have that tank last a day easily.

Still want one of each though, will curb my spending from now on (honestly) in order to get one of each

 

[pgi947]

Ok So I've just revisited the serpent.

3mm, 5 wrap fused clapton (28x2/32), spaced, wicked how Grimm does - short tails, stacked on the deck, nothing in the well hole and I'm pleased to say I'm actually enjoying it, wicking fine, flavor is fantastic at 50w.

Also as for mine not sitting flush...510 threads were rough, wound it in and out a few times into an old mod with a stainless 510 and it now sits flush

 

[ttaskmaster]

if you want to get close to 200w, the RX200 is the one to get Not the cuboid

Oh?
What's the firmware upgrade for, then?
Not that I'd likely try vaping at 200w, but after the upgrade my Cuboid does go up to 200w on the output. Can you not then achieve close to that with a low resistance build and high output batteries, or something?

Tank wise, the cleito is great if you want coil heads

It's great for clouds and has good flavour, but even dialled down to 20-25w it still burns through the juice.

Got some black and blue from T Juice and hmmmmm very disappointed such a strange taste, can't quite make it out.

T-Juice?
That'll be plastic... at least that's what all the T-Juices I've ever tried have been like. Horrid stuff.
Surprised you liked the Vimto one - All those I've tried have again had quite a chemical aftertaste, but possibly spoilt by the fact that I drink real Vimto most days anyway.

 

[UKDTweak]

200W from 2 18650 batteries, its not considered possible or safe for the batteries, obviously the board will be using pulse and various protections to get higher output, but i really dont think it will achieve a true 200w, even the RX200 & DNA200 with 3 cells and 12v, will struggle and my comment was more so because if you need anywhere near 200w, the RX200 with 3 18650 will give better battery life than the cuboid.

 

[ttaskmaster]

200W from 2 18650 batteries, its not considered possible or safe for the batteries, obviously the board will be using pulse and various protections to get higher output, but i really dont think it will achieve a true 200w, even the RX200 & DNA200 with 3 cells and 12v, will struggle and my comment was more so because if you need anywhere near 200w, the RX200 with 3 18650 will give better battery life than the cuboid.

Based on some elsewhere discussions regarding battery choice, the general rule of thumb seems to be taking your target wattage and dividing by 2.5 to get the minimum Amp output required for the battery.
In this case 200w/2.5=80A
3 x Orange Samsung 3000mAh cells @30A = 90A, which is what should, in theory, result in 200w on the Reuleaux... depending on coil resistance and such.

Do I have that right?

 

[pgi947]

I've also read in some places, for series, you should divide overall amps by 1.5 to be safe, 90/1.5 is roughly 60a

Can't say how true it is etc...

 

[Frozennova]

No such thing as a 3000mah 30A cell. Sanyo Sax, LG HB2/HB6 and Sony VTC3s are the only true 30A cells and they are all 1500mah


200w on dual batteries will draw 25A+ depending on sag and charge level, where as a 3 batteries is a worst case of ~22A

 

[ttaskmaster]

I've also read in some places, for series, you should divide overall amps by 1.5 to be safe, 90/1.5 is roughly 60a
Can't say how true it is etc...

That 2.5 thing is supposed to account for all the variances and stuff. There was a load of maths posted to explain it, but that's where I glossed over!

No such thing as a 3000mah 30A cell. Sanyo Sax, LG HB2/HB6 and Sony VTC3s are the only true 30A cells and they are all 1500mah

That fella Torchy on UKVapers disagrees, based on all the tests he's posted.
Several sellers offering "Orange Samsung, LG HE4, Orange LG, Shockli, Orange Sony", all of which are supposedly tested and certified safe 30A cells, ranging from 2100-2400-2500-2600 and finally one at 3000mAh... Samsung 30Q, I think it is, which Torchy has subsequently tested up to 40A.

I went looking because some company was claiming 4000mAh, but that was quickly quashed!