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edgedemon · 18 Oct 2011 at 16:42

OK, so the Mark-T is delayed again, probably by another month, so I gave up waiting and ordered the Bulli A2-TM. Im desperate to get of these damn clearomisers....

Dava · 18 Oct 2011 at 17:18

edgedemon said:
OK, so the Mark-T is delayed again, probably by another month, so I gave up waiting and ordered the Bulli A2-TM. Im desperate to get of these damn clearomisers....

let me know what you make of it when you receive, might get one myself, seem very handy!

Bloomfield · 18 Oct 2011 at 17:32

Dj_Jestar said:
Very serious. http://www.flavourartexpress.biz/index.php?dispatch=pages.view&page_id=99&sl=EN

That's just flavour concentrates. If you are using >10% flavouring, you are inhaling just as many diketons and dicetyl as can be found in a cigarette.

I've never said it is as bad as smoking, it certainly is less harmful, but don't be fooled into thinking it is harmless, because it is still really far from it.

Not all flavours include them.

I don't think anyone honestly thinks vaping is harmless, but to say it's "hardly much better" than smoking is just wrong.

Dj_Jestar · 18 Oct 2011 at 17:44

Bloomfield said:
Not all flavours include them.

I don't think anyone honestly thinks vaping is harmless, but to say it's "hardly much better" than smoking is just wrong.

Compared to not vaping/smoking; it's hardly much better than smoking. Trufax.

stickman1 · 18 Oct 2011 at 17:47

stickman1 said:
I am thinking about mixing my own juice i am right in think that the pg gives flavour + throat hit, and the pv give the vapour and where is the best type and place to get my first mixing kit?

cheer's
stick

anyone help me out

Dj_Jestar · 18 Oct 2011 at 17:51

PG (Propylene Glycerol) won't give any real throat hit. It's the nicotine that does that. I've vaped pure PG with no nicotine, and it had no throat hit at all.

VG (Vegetable Glycerine) gives visible vapour, and adds a hint of sweetness to the vapour. I.e. if you vape VG, you'll get clouds of cotton wool for vapour, where as PG you'll just get a whisp of smoke like vapour that vanishes really quickly.

However, pure VG has a high viscosity and can't be used in atomisers like the Tank systems used by the eGo-T/Tornado and 510-T/Titan-T. I found having any more than 30% VG causes problems.

Anymore questions, fire away.

edgedemon · 18 Oct 2011 at 17:56

Dava said:
let me know what you make of it when you receive, might get one myself, seem very handy!

Will do..
They are quoting from 2-15 days delivery so don't hold your breath!!!

Dava · 18 Oct 2011 at 18:04

edgedemon said:
Will do..
They are quoting from 2-15 days delivery so don't hold your breath!!!

probably run out again and will have to wait until i get to place my order

edit: just looked and says available again on 30/10!!!

edgedemon · 18 Oct 2011 at 22:12

Dava said:
probably run out again and will have to wait until i get to place my order
edit: just looked and says available again on 30/10!!!

Thats seems to be the way it works with them, but Im surpised they went that quick as they didn't go on sale until 3pm today as I mailed them at 2 to enquire whether they were going on sale today...

stickman1 · 18 Oct 2011 at 22:21

Dj_Jestar said:
PG (Propylene Glycerol) won't give any real throat hit. It's the nicotine that does that. I've vaped pure PG with no nicotine, and it had no throat hit at all.

VG (Vegetable Glycerine) gives visible vapour, and adds a hint of sweetness to the vapour. I.e. if you vape VG, you'll get clouds of cotton wool for vapour, where as PG you'll just get a whisp of smoke like vapour that vanishes really quickly.

However, pure VG has a high viscosity and can't be used in atomisers like the Tank systems used by the eGo-T/Tornado and 510-T/Titan-T. I found having any more than 30% VG causes problems.

Anymore questions, fire away.

Thanks for the reply, so would you recomend a 50/50 mix of pg/vg or a higher pg than vg mix i have a TornadoT 510 i have had a look around the various sites and quite a few use pg 70% vg 30% mix.. would 80% pg 20% vg be better for a tank setup?

edgedemon · 19 Oct 2011 at 03:06

70/30 or 80/20 will be fine...
Buy some cheap VG from boots and try it out for yourself..

Dj_Jestar · 19 Oct 2011 at 10:15

stickman1 said:
Thanks for the reply, so would you recomend a 50/50 mix of pg/vg or a higher pg than vg mix i have a TornadoT 510 i have had a look around the various sites and quite a few use pg 70% vg 30% mix.. would 80% pg 20% vg be better for a tank setup?

anything up to 30% VG will be fine in a tank. As above, buy some VG from Boots or Tesco. I used Dr. Oetker stuff bought off the shelf in Tesco. Just make sure it is food grade and 100% pure, none of the flavoured stuff as it will wreck your attys. I later bought 100ml bottle from cloud9vaping.co.uk just because it was a bigger bottle and cheaper per ml.

Then mix with vapour flavour concentrates, PG with nicotine, and base (i.e. unflavoured) PG and you're good to go

Use a site like this to calculate the mixture needed: http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php

Tip: On the calculator site, pretend the "Water" input actually says "VG" and set it to 30%

Also another tip: The VG will be very thick and will be difficult to use with a syringe, so use a dropper bottle instead.

stickman1 · 19 Oct 2011 at 18:20

Dj_Jestar said:
anything up to 30% VG will be fine in a tank. As above, buy some VG from Boots or Tesco. I used Dr. Oetker stuff bought off the shelf in Tesco. Just make sure it is food grade and 100% pure, none of the flavoured stuff as it will wreck your attys. I later bought 100ml bottle from cloud9vaping.co.uk just because it was a bigger bottle and cheaper per ml.

Then mix with vapour flavour concentrates, PG with nicotine, and base (i.e. unflavoured) PG and you're good to go

Use a site like this to calculate the mixture needed: http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php

Tip: On the calculator site, pretend the "Water" input actually says "VG" and set it to 30%

Also another tip: The VG will be very thick and will be difficult to use with a syringe, so use a dropper bottle instead.

edgedemon said:
70/30 or 80/20 will be fine...
Buy some cheap VG from boots and try it out for yourself..

thanks guys will give it a go tommorrow

Devrij · 19 Oct 2011 at 18:31

I use a mostly VG mix in my juice and it's rare that I have problems with my tank, just in case you were worried about it. I like the big clouds of vapour

stickman1 · 20 Oct 2011 at 21:46

I just found this

http://www.cig-eliquid.co.uk/E-liquids/cat649231_573931.aspx some good prices just got some 52mg Unflavoured PG base
75ml for £19.99 nice!!

Bloomfield · 20 Oct 2011 at 22:01

Liberty Flights sells 50mg PG or VG 125ml for just under £24 with free delivery

(when using ECR69 for 15% off, works on all orders there).

Edit: It is Chinese sourced though, I've no idea if that makes any difference quality wise

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ScoTTyBEEE · 20 Oct 2011 at 22:59

stickman1 said:
I just found this http://www.cig-eliquid.co.uk/E-liquids/cat649231_573931.aspx some good prices just got some 52mg Unflavoured PG base
75ml for £19.99 nice!!

I've bought 200ml off him, good price, does the job.

stickman1 · 22 Oct 2011 at 23:11

ScoTTyBEEE said:
I've bought 200ml off him, good price, does the job.

is it totally tasteless?

mountaincow · 23 Oct 2011 at 13:31

Can anyone recommend me some good tobacco flavours (not pre-mix), not overly sweet, not too far from the real deal. They need to be reminiscent of tobacco as this is not only for me, but for my uncle who has been smoking for many many years more than me, and he is far fussier.

I bought the M-type tobacco flavour by perfumers apprentice and it's really nothing like I had hoped. My friend bought some blended virginia pre-mix from totally wicked and it has a decent flavour to it although not quite tobacco, so something similar or more authentic if possible!

I have some credit on Liberty Flights and so I am looking to buy there right now, however any other recommendations are welcomed.

Thanks in advance.

Pestilence · 23 Oct 2011 at 13:46

Jazzerman said:
Can anyone recommend me some good tobacco flavours (not pre-mix), not overly sweet, not too far from the real deal. They need to be reminiscent of tobacco as this is not only for me, but for my uncle who has been smoking for many many years more than me, and he is far fussier.

I bought the M-type tobacco flavour by perfumers apprentice and it's really nothing like I had hoped. My friend bought some blended virginia pre-mix from totally wicked and it has a decent flavour to it although not quite tobacco, so something similar or more authentic if possible!

I have some credit on Liberty Flights and so I am looking to buy there right now, however any other recommendations are welcomed.

Thanks in advance.

Liberty Flights' "Original Red", and OK Smokey's Lambert and Butler are two of the most authentic cig flavours I've come across. The Lambert and Butler in particular has a very convincing "ash" aftertaste on the exhale that took some getting used to after not touching a cigarette in a while!

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