Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

[WeSbO]

Hopefully they sell a whole lot more with V56 coming out. They need all the money they can get to invest and catch up. Don't like the idea of only having Nvidia available only available if you want to game at 4K in the future. Hopefully now Ryzen being a success, the CPU division can support the GPU division for a change.

Their GPU division needs to be bought out by a company with funds, or better yet there needs to be a 3rd player on dGPU sector (that would ideal)

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

There is no denying the Vega is an epic failure. Vega56 has its place though. If you had the cash for 1070 range gpu then the Vega56 is an enticing option.

If you mean the vega architect then then no, it does what its supposed to; it goes after the HPC sector. If you mean the 64 then you have a point for games but for compute its really good.

 

[HRL]

Here is another PC with a 5960X and 4 way Maxwell Titans.

Wow, just how big is that case?!? I've never seen quad SLI dwarfed before.

 

[Kaapstad]

Wow, just how big is that case?!? I've never seen quad SLI dwarfed before.

The case is a Little Devil V8, IIRC it is about 760mm tall.

 

[old gamer]

I wonder who the first brave soul will be and try flashing a 56 with a 64 bios to see if it unlocks

 

[WeSbO]

If you mean the vega architect then then no, it does what its supposed to; it goes after the HPC sector. If you mean the 64 then you have a point for games but for compute its really good.

But you have to look at the reason why they concentrated this GPU more on the HPC sector, it's because the GCN arch is now subpar when it comes to gaming, they did what they could with what they had, and IMO that's a bad reason for concentrating on HPC, being because they had no choice.

GCN has had it's shining moments and it's time for AMD to move on to something else (it's been around since 2011 now I believe) ? And I have a bad feeling that Navi will also be GCN.

 

[TNA]

And I have a bad feeling that Navi will also be GCN.

I hope not. Navi needs to be something new and big to shake things up for AMD. They have fallen behind to much now.

I was surprised to see they could not even match Pascal with Vega even with all the extra power they used and HBM2. A small part of me is hoping that Navi will have them catch up a bit, but I am not holding my breath this time. Though I am still rooting for AMD and want to see them catch up and gain market share.

 

[Zeed]

The cheapest 1080 AIB on ocuk I can see is £500

well there ware 460 pound Inno3d AIB ones last week but VEGA cleared those out

 

[WeSbO]

IMO at the moment the major problem with AMD is that the GPU division is driven by "we have no choice decisions" (which aren't really decisions lol), down to the fab used, whereas Nvidia is driven by "we are making the decisions we want to make", and to me when a company is forced to make certain decisions by lack of any other options that is a major problem.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

My case now is Corsair 750D I can support 280 Rad... Price is much but you know what the more I think about it once I buy the Red, Pump/Res etc I can just keep using them. Only GPU plate I need to rebuy each GPU upgrade.

Each time in the past when I buy new CPU/MB I normally also buy a new case but I really need to stop it because I have 3 Corsair cases atm lol Corsair Carbide 540 AIR This a Excellent case, only let down by storage.

I don't want to derail this thread, but not sure where else to say this...
I think the 750D can also support a 360mm rad up top. I've always preferred the rads that use 120mm fans due to the (when I last watercooled) larger selection of high static pressure fans at 120mm compared to 140mm. Are you able to put a 240/280mm rad in the front too? I like to have as much rad space as I can, I *think* Kaap is the same
Quick Disconnects are a great idea if you're doing soft tubing.
I've got a Corsair 540 AIR too, have been meaning to watercool in it for a while with a 360mm and 240mm rad. Sorta wish I'd gotten the 750D instead though as for watercooling it looks better. Although as I'm not watercooling at present maybe the 540 AIR is working out better...
Finding somewhere for the pump and res has always been the hardest thing for me as I've been put off res/pump combos that go in the 5¼" bays because they can vibrate and be noisy.

To keep this slightly Vega related, do we know yet if Vega 56 will use the same PCB layout as Vega 64 and thus use the same waterblocks?

 

[FoxEye]

TSMC couldn't deliver and everyone come second to Apple. They also failed to move to from the 28nm designe and that probably didn't suit AMD to well and AMD probably didn't have the money to pay for some of the **** ups TSMC made.

Your posts are so heavily AMD biased I don't think any of us who aren't AMD superfans can stomach reading them.

Vega is better than the 1080 (even Vega 56), Polaris "murders" the 1060, TSMC is worse than GloFo, "nobody cares about power consumption"...

You are really doing incredible mental gymnastics to make Vega seem not only a success, but better than anything nV have right now Still waiting for those magic drivers that give +100%?

 

[old gamer]

I think there's a good chance the 56 and 64 have the same pcb layout, Im 99.9% positive I saw a review and they said both use the exact same cooler

 

[JediFragger]

I think there's a good chance the 56 and 64 have the same pcb layout, Im 99.9% positive I saw a review and they said both use the exact same cooler

I thought I saw that the ref 56 was a short pcb? The 64 has a 'normal' long one. Same cooling though.

 

[old gamer]

I thought I saw that the ref 56 was a short pcb? The 64 has a 'normal' long one. Same cooling though.

You might be right I just assumed same cooler then must be same board

 

[nashathedog]

AMD ships over 25,000 Radeon RX Vega graphics cards

Read more: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58901....it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=tweaktown

I wonder how many of those were AIO's and how many got returned? Unless the UK got a particularly bad batch there seems to be a high failure rate with the AIO C0 revision cards which has been very disappointing for those of us who've waited over a year for Fiji replacements. I even paid £780 for mine followed by an additional £150 for a psu to run it. Then I ended up having to return it as faulty and get a refund due to the lack of stock.

 

[D.P.]

If you mean the vega architect then then no, it does what its supposed to; it goes after the HPC sector. If you mean the 64 then you have a point for games but for compute its really good.

Huh, Vega absolutely doesn't go after HPC, 1:16 FP64 support means it won't even get a look in edgeways.

 

[eddyr]

But you have to look at the reason why they concentrated this GPU more on the HPC sector, it's because the GCN arch is now subpar when it comes to gaming, they did what they could with what they had, and IMO that's a bad reason for concentrating on HPC, being because they had no choice.

GCN has had it's shining moments and it's time for AMD to move on to something else (it's been around since 2011 now I believe) ? And I have a bad feeling that Navi will also be GCN.

We don't know enough about it to make that claim. So long as they are using the GCN instruction set it will prob fall under the umbrella name unless they purposefully create a new codename for marketing reasons which makes it a meaningless label. From what I have read, keeping with the current configuration was a resource choice (time/personnel)/cost and supposedly not due to a limitation (Anandtech Vega review on why they have stuck with 4 compute engines).

 

[WeSbO]

keeping with the current configuration was a resource choice (time/personnel)/cost and supposedly not due to a limitation (Anandtech Vega review on why they have stuck with 4 compute engines).

Yes a resource/cost limitation not allowing them to work with anything else than GCN, because they haven't got the funds to put in to r&d to complete a brand new arch, hence why they had to concentrate on the compute side of GCN in order to make the card viable to at least some people, to me that is not a choice, that is not having any other choice. They aren't doing this because they want to, they are doing this because they have no other choice but to. A bit like tying themselves to GloFo, that was a decision they had to take, not one they really wanted to take.
And they knew early on that it was going to subpar when it came to gaming compared to the competition, one clue was the AMD ex-engineer telling hardwarecanucks, quite a bit before release, that there are only 2 ways to deliver bad news.

 

[shankly1985]

I don't want to derail this thread, but not sure where else to say this...
I think the 750D can also support a 360mm rad up top. I've always preferred the rads that use 120mm fans due to the (when I last watercooled) larger selection of high static pressure fans at 120mm compared to 140mm. Are you able to put a 240/280mm rad in the front too? I like to have as much rad space as I can, I *think* Kaap is the same
Quick Disconnects are a great idea if you're doing soft tubing.
I've got a Corsair 540 AIR too, have been meaning to watercool in it for a while with a 360mm and 240mm rad. Sorta wish I'd gotten the 750D instead though as for watercooling it looks better. Although as I'm not watercooling at present maybe the 540 AIR is working out better...
Finding somewhere for the pump and res has always been the hardest thing for me as I've been put off res/pump combos that go in the 5¼" bays because they can vibrate and be noisy.

To keep this slightly Vega related, do we know yet if Vega 56 will use the same PCB layout as Vega 64 and thus use the same waterblocks?

This is the support spec. Keep in mind I have mounted my HDD into the 5.25 bays.


Radiator and fan compatibility:

• Top: 3 x 120mm or 2 x 140mm
• Front: 2 x 140mm or 2 x 120mm (2 x 140mm included)
• Bottom: 2 x 120mm
• Rear: 1 x 140mm or 120mm (140mm included)

 

[spikerules]

But you have to look at the reason why they concentrated this GPU more on the HPC sector, it's because the GCN arch is now subpar when it comes to gaming, they did what they could with what they had, and IMO that's a bad reason for concentrating on HPC, being because they had no choice.

GCN has had it's shining moments and it's time for AMD to move on to something else (it's been around since 2011 now I believe) ? And I have a bad feeling that Navi will also be GCN.

Are most being buying these cards for compute? Sorry I was under the impression it was mainly for gaming... I'm also sure AMD intended it for gaming, but it becomes convenient for the fanboys to use any excuse they can to justify their purchase.