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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

What do we think about Vega?

  • What has AMD been doing for the past 1-2 years?

  • It consumes how many watts and is how loud!!!

  • It is not that bad.

  • Want to buy but put off by pricing and warranty.

  • I will be buying one for sure (I own a Freesync monitor so have little choice).

  • Better red than dead.

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spikerules said:
Are most being buying these cards for compute? Sorry I was under the impression it was mainly for gaming... I'm also sure AMD intended it for gaming, but it becomes convenient for the fanboys to use any excuse they can to justify their purchase.
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Where did I mention that people are buying these for compute ? I said AMD are concentrating Vega on compute (some features and marketing as a whole), because it is subpar at gaming so they didn't really have much choice, I never said people were buying it though !
Personally, no I don't think these are being bought for their pro workloads capabilities, well except if you consider mining, people are buying them for that, and then hardcore fanboys, this GPU will not be a best seller in the gaming community for AMD, be it the RX 56,64 or FE for that matter
All that aside, as I've said before, I do not believe that Vega for gaming was an afterthought (as some seem to think) and that Vega was "specifically" designed for computing, it's just that somewhere down the development line, they saw it was a dud and started shifiting their marketing and some features to the pro workloads sector.
 
WeSbO said:
But you have to look at the reason why they concentrated this GPU more on the HPC sector, it's because the GCN arch is now subpar when it comes to gaming, they did what they could with what they had, and IMO that's a bad reason for concentrating on HPC, being because they had no choice.

GCN has had it's shining moments and it's time for AMD to move on to something else (it's been around since 2011 now I believe) ? And I have a bad feeling that Navi will also be GCN.
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I disagree. I think the reason they are now focusing on compute is because, they see it as a more reliable source of income. Unlike Nvidia, AMD hasn't had the resources to optimise it for gaming; so I won't comment on whether it is time for them to move on. I think is Navi is going to be GCN.

D.P. said:
Huh, Vega absolutely doesn't go after HPC, 1:16 FP64 support means it won't even get a look in edgeways.
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So your saying that ALL HPCs only use FP64?
 
AlamoX said:
global foundries used to belong to AMD,when they were short on cash, they sold it off, and they had an agreement in place forcing AMD to manufacture a specific amount of chips at global foundry, not sure how much maybe about 1bil $ worth of chips, and if they don't they have to pay a fine, like they did back in 2014 i think about 300mil.
but iv read somewhere that AMD & glofo got a modified the agreement, and now AMD can switch to another foundry if glofo doesn't deliver on what AMD needs without paying the fine, that's good news i guess, but limited to some products, and GPUs doesn't seem to be part of it, so Navi is going to be glofo.
there is an interesting article here about the new deal, source : Hardware.fr
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It seems like Gloflo has been struggling to produce chips of the quality the competition does so I hope AMD take advantage of others more now.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
I disagree. I think the reason they are now focusing on compute is because, they see it as a more reliable source of income. Unlike Nvidia, AMD hasn't had the resources to optimise it for gaming; so I won't comment on whether it is time for them to move on. I think is Navi is going to be GCN.


So your saying that ALL HPCs only use FP64?
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As you say "a lack of resources to optimize for gaming", again this is not a choice it's a default decision because there are no other, they never chose to have less resources than required.
Of course if they are concentrating on compute it is because they think they can get a higher profit within this sector with this generation and with what they have at hand.
A company (no matter what they are selling) never want's to be in the position where their lack of funds/resources dictates the companies future, products they market and design. And this is exactly what is happening with Vega. Keep in mind that Vega was being developed during a time drastically lacking funds for the AMD gpu division, and they had probably already thrown a certain amount of money at it when, noticing that it wasn't going to be competitive, but they couldn't just throw that money away and change course.
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
I think the reason they are now focusing on compute is because
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AMD aren't really focusing on compute with their mainstream cards, they're just not ignoring/locking it like Nvidia do.

I.E the HD5870 and HD7970 were compute beasts back in the day (hence why those cards were awesome for mining) so nothing has really changed. By comparison Geforce cards always had limited/disabled compute, hell they recently unlocked some of the Titan XPs disabled compute capability via a driver as a knee jerk reaction to the Vega FE.


nashathedog said:
Hopefully a reviewer seeing as they get the cards free and don't tend to use them for anything other than window dressing on the shelf's in their vid's after the initial testing.
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The use them for comparison videos, when you see the charts for [new card] and [old cards] they have tested every card using the current drivers/os/patches not just the new one.
 
ubersonic said:
AMD aren't really focusing on compute with their mainstream cards, they're just not ignoring/locking it like Nvidia do.

I.E the HD5870 and HD7970 were compute beasts back in the day (hence why those cards were awesome for mining) so nothing has really changed. By comparison Geforce cards always had limited/disabled compute, hell they recently unlocked some of the Titan XPs disabled compute capability via a driver as a knee jerk reaction to the Vega FE.



The use them for comparison videos, when you see the charts for [new card] and [old cards] they have tested every card using the current drivers/os/patches not just the new one.
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EDIT: originally quoted wrong post.


Another complete fabrication/alt-truth.

Nvidia didn't unlock any compute capabilities via a driver in response to Vega,that is complete rubbish.

Nvidia enabled the driver optimizations for professional software, which has nothing to do with compute. AMD also had these disabled in all Radeon cards until Vega FE.
 
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ubersonic said:
AMD aren't really focusing on compute with their mainstream cards,
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That is very debatable, I would say that the way they marketed Vega as a whole tends to be focused on compute, the amount of people that are talking about compute, speculating that gaming was an afterthought and even going as far as saying that the RX isn't a gaming card O_O (there are a load of them especially the hardcore fanboys) would indicate that the computing marketing functioned otherwise no one would be talking about it. Their marketing on compute has definitely had an effect on the mainstream consumers
 
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D.P. said:
Another complete fabrication/alt-truth.

Nvidia didn't unlock any compute capabilities via a driver in response to Vega,that is complete rubbish.

Nvidia enabled the driver optimizations for professional software, which has nothing to do with compute. AMD also had these disabled in all Radeon cards until Vega FE.
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Huh I didn't say that ? lol And I don't believe that either, I actually agree with you.
I think you meant to quote Ubersonic maybe ?
 
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D.P. said:
Yes I quoted the wrong person. On.my phone while trying to stop the kids from killing each other...
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No probs :D You did make me doubt what I wrote for a second though. I thought : "WTH did I write ????" lol. Ah kids lovely little bundles of joy and happiness :)
 
WeSbO said:
As you say "a lack of resources to optimize for gaming", again this is not a choice it's a default decision because there are no other, they never chose to have less resources than required.
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That's a good point. I hadn't thought of it that way.

ubersonic said:
AMD aren't really focusing on compute with their mainstream cards, they're just not ignoring/locking it like Nvidia do.

I.E the HD5870 and HD7970 were compute beasts back in the day (hence why those cards were awesome for mining) so nothing has really changed. By comparison Geforce cards always had limited/disabled compute, hell they recently unlocked some of the Titan XPs disabled compute capability via a driver as a knee jerk reaction to the Vega FE.
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That's a fair point, but i was thinking about the drivers and pricing.
Judging by the benchmarks it seems AMD spent more time worrying about compute performance than gaming performance (I'm assuming that compute stuff requires decent/specific drivers to perform well).

Considering the pricing from a gaming standpoint the VEGA 64 comes across as expensive for what it is. Consider it from its compute performance, and its really good value for money.
 
ubersonic said:
The use them for comparison videos, when you see the charts for [new card] and [old cards] they have tested every card using the current drivers/os/patches not just the new one.
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Sure some do but this topic was mentioned in a recent review and the reviewer stated he doesn't do that as it'd be too much hard work, Unfortunately I don't remember which reviewer it was but at the time I thought that's bad new's for AMD and that we can't really trust his reviews as giving an accurate picture of how cards perform in the here and now. I'm gutted I can't remember who it was now but it was very recent (Vega?) so I'm sure someone else must know.


Anyone?
 
nashathedog said:
Sure some do but this topic was mentioned in a recent review and the reviewer stated he doesn't do that as it'd be too much hard work, Unfortunately I don't remember which reviewer it was but at the time I thought that's bad new's for AMD and that we can't really trust his reviews as giving an accurate picture of how cards perform in the here and now. I'm gutted I can't remember who it was now but it was very recent (Vega?) so I'm sure someone else must know.


Anyone?
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Wasn't it Tiny Tom?
 
nashathedog said:
Sure some do but this topic was mentioned in a recent review and the reviewer stated he doesn't do that as it'd be too much hard work, Unfortunately I don't remember which reviewer it was but at the time I thought that's bad new's for AMD and that we can't really trust his reviews as giving an accurate picture of how cards perform in the here and now. I'm gutted I can't remember who it was now but it was very recent (Vega?) so I'm sure someone else must know.


Anyone?
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I'm sure the dude from GamersNexus also said something like that - it was either in his review or one of the vega56 live streams.
 
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