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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

What do we think about Vega?

  • What has AMD been doing for the past 1-2 years?

  • It consumes how many watts and is how loud!!!

  • It is not that bad.

  • Want to buy but put off by pricing and warranty.

  • I will be buying one for sure (I own a Freesync monitor so have little choice).

  • Better red than dead.

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I knew Vega was not going to best the 1080Ti, I knew it was going to be in and around the 1080 (nonTi) so when the results landed I was happy enough. 1-0 to the "buy angel" on my right shoulder.

Then I saw the power draw for the card and it actually shocked me. 1-1 with the "no ******* chance angel" on my left shoulder scoring a hit.

Then came the pricing and when I saw the prices of the cards against the performance and I realised that AMD were £100 more than they should be priced at. That was the home run smack to the "no ******* chance angel" on my left shoulder 1-2 and game over

Gutted that AMD have really dropped the ball on what was a decent performing card but let down on power and pricing. The power thing was an issue but really this community doesn't care a huge amount, some but not a lot, with power draw. Afterall we're overclockers and leccy bills mean little to us lol :p

The pricing has really nailed them and it's sad to see. I think the GPU side of AMD will now never catch Nvidia, wheras the CPU side will do MUCH better now. I just hope the CPU profits are pushed into R&D for GPUs and we get some progress to nip at Nvidia, otherwise we'll just be shafted by the green side for years to come.
 
chrcoluk said:
so miners dont exist in america then?

also guys any links to info of the 56 bios TDP cap?
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It's a bit early yet, the Vega 56 is only with reviewers once enthusiasts can get there hands on it a way might be found. If you want more information I suggest watching Steve at Gamers Nexus on Youtube, he done a video on undervolting on Vega where he talks about the power cap (he tried flashing the BIOS and the Vega FE registry hack but they didn't work and he didn't have enough time to try anything else).
 
I think AMD's GPU focus is generally for the consoles now, they have scored stunning wins by supplying the CPU/GPU for the two major console players. There's enormous money in it. It'll keep them afloat.
 
Yes it's sad. Vega isn't too bad... and might have a few surprises over the next year as AMD optimize drivers and get all the hardware features in Vega working.

But from a raw performance and power use perspective it's disappointing. Performance for the Vega 64 maybe give or take trading blows with the 1080 but it is over a year later and the power draw and heat was a major turn off for me.

The biggest nail in the coffin is not the relative performance of Vega vs the 1000 series but more how long it's taken AMD to get here and knowing that Nvidia will leap forward generationally again once Volta launches.

At present if you want to stay on the cusp of GPU technology you buy Nvidia. It's as simple as that.
 
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Gerard said:
Oh nice, **** turning on the cards new features, lets cater to the mining mob. :rolleyes:
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This driver has been in the works for months and applies to all cards, AMD were embarrassed when a driver flaw emerged that would have severely impacted RX400/500 performance over time, and regardless of what anyone thinks of mining it's still compute work and a GPU failing at compute work due to a driver flaw is embarrassing for a GPU manufacturer.
 
Gerard said:
Oh nice, **** turning on the cards new features, lets cater to the mining mob. :rolleyes:
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Beta was 31st July so it shows at least it was an after thought- will give in theory gamers more time to buy .
Just confirms for myself 56 will fly out quicker then the 64 as reviewers have full 2 weeks of proper testing as well as some may do mining tests, 64 never really had the chance
 
five8five said:
I'm not sure if you've noticed but GamersNexus ONLY measures the power draw at the PCIe cables.
This measurement isn't the total power draw of the card as the slot isn't included so their results are flawed. I'm not sure why they do this as it makes it very difficult to compare cards due to the differences in PCIe slot power usage between various cards of even the same manufacturer (eg RX480 power debacle).

PCper use a much better system to measure actual GPU power draw. The 56, like it's bigger brothers virtually matches it's TDP rating.

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...4-Vega-64-Liquid-Vega-56-Tested/Clocks-Power-
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Fair enough but those PCper graphs show pretty much the same thing: Vega 56 uses ~100 W more power than the GTX 1070.
 
subbytna said:
I knew Vega was not going to best the 1080Ti, I knew it was going to be in and around the 1080 (nonTi) so when the results landed I was happy enough. 1-0 to the "buy angel" on my right shoulder.

Then I saw the power draw for the card and it actually shocked me. 1-1 with the "no ******* chance angel" on my left shoulder scoring a hit.

Then came the pricing and when I saw the prices of the cards against the performance and I realised that AMD were £100 more than they should be priced at. That was the home run smack to the "no ******* chance angel" on my left shoulder 1-2 and game over

Gutted that AMD have really dropped the ball on what was a decent performing card but let down on power and pricing. The power thing was an issue but really this community doesn't care a huge amount, some but not a lot, with power draw. Afterall we're overclockers and leccy bills mean little to us lol :p

The pricing has really nailed them and it's sad to see. I think the GPU side of AMD will now never catch Nvidia, wheras the CPU side will do MUCH better now. I just hope the CPU profits are pushed into R&D for GPUs and we get some progress to nip at Nvidia, otherwise we'll just be shafted by the green side for years to come.
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I said this a while back, key for AMD with Vega would be pricing, they obviously have not learnt from the FuryX pricing fiasco, that released at a price it did not warrant and subsequently dropped a while later. Im fairly certain at this point, AMD cares a lot less about pleasing gamers than they do about just shifting units to anyone who will buy them, regardless of cost.

Look at the facts...

Vega RX is a cutdown Workstation card, we know this for certain.
Vega RX was released with seemingly most of the "selling" features either not enabled, not working, or just broken (AA seems broken, Primitive discard seems not to be working etc)
AMD have released a driver update, aimed specifically at Miners to improve the cards mining performance
Vega RX64 appears to be clocked to within an inch of its life leaving little room for improvement, Vega 56 is evidence of how the 64 should have been setup.
Vega RX profiles seem broken and not to work correctly
Vega Wattman tool does not work correctly with the card.
Vega RX cards released in a small batch at a lower price point to entice early adopters then hiked up for no apparent reason other than to line their pockets.

Sad thing is AMD got a lot of faith back with the CPU launches and has now singlehandedly wiped out most of it with yet another botched GPU launch...

Im still going to buy the Vega 56 as i feel that is the better price to performance card to pair with my 1400p 144hz Freesync screen, i am going to wait for the Partner solutions and hopefully by then some driver updates should be out to fix the horror show that is currently Vega RX. My brother bought the Vega RX 64 to replace his reference 290, i almost feel sorry for him, only thing stopping me is he got it at the discounted price.
 
Zeed said:
Well i'w been open on my opinion about AMD Vega.
But what AMD did with dropping extra 100gbp/euro/dollar AFTER Reviewers put out recommendations is... Most disgusting dirtiest play i seen in over 20 years of hardware shopping.

AMD's Gpu's department can go **** themselves. For this play I wont EVER buy AMD card. Rather pay 1000 pounds for gpu to money hungry Nvidia at lest they dont play cat and mouse game with Promises Graphs and hype.
AMD lost a Loyal Fanboy Customer with this **** forever.

Nvidia is like thats our card its 20% faster than last year model takes same power costs 700 quid Buy it if You can or dont if You cant afford it we dont care. No messing about smoke screens ect.
550 quid for vega 64 when You can have EVGA Hybrid 1080 for 530???
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This post reminds me of the Jeremy Kyle show lol. You would rather buy a Titan Xp when the price rises on Gpu's for the last 4-5 years is imo down to the Titan brand and nvidia. Amd come in with a sub par card and over price a bit and it's see you later. Logic much.
 
DragonQ said:
Fair enough but those PCper graphs show pretty much the same thing: Vega 56 uses ~100 W more power than the GTX 1070.
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It also shows,that the Vega 64 draws much more power for a very little extra performance over a Vega56. Plus if you look at review sites where plenty of other cards are listed,the Vega 56 draws either slightly less or slightly more than an RX580.

TheRealDeal said:
This post reminds me of the Jeremy Kyle show lol. You would rather buy a Titan Xp when the price rises on Gpu's for the last 4-5 years is imo down to the Titan brand and nvidia. Amd come in with a sub par card and over price a bit and it's see you later. Logic much.
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Agreed - buy a £1000 Nvidia card,when a £700 Nvidia one will end up beating it. Sounds more like fake outrage from someone who never really had any intention of buying an AMD card,but just wants to buy a Titan at £1000 and wants to purchase justify it in an AMD thread. LMAO.
 
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Howling said:
Yes, I'm a miner so clearly I'm the boogeyman and anything I say can't be trusted.
Yes, mining has pushed up the prices of some cards - how on earth you conflate this with EVERY GPU issue brought up on the forum is beyond me. It's not ALL the miner's faults - just the price hikes on RX580/570 1060/1070 (although 1070 prices are back to normal now, I've not looked at 1060s so I can't say on that).
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Miners are pretty much single-handedly responsible for the current climate.

EVERY GPU issue of all time? No, clearly not. But what's happening today? Yup, that's miner's fault.
 
KNiVES said:
I think AMD's GPU focus is generally for the consoles now, they have scored stunning wins by supplying the CPU/GPU for the two major console players. There's enormous money in it. It'll keep them afloat.
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They've had the consoles for yonks now, it doesn't seem to have inflated their bank balance any.
 
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