Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

[henson0115]

Ocuk Dispute this, and AMD UK dispute that... It's going to be interesting to see if the truth will come out.

you've got moire chance of winning the lottery to be fair.

 

[eddyr]

Only OCuk dispute this. I don't wish to speak for Gibbo, but he has been absolutely blunt and said the RRP is not what you have written above. We've asked if AMD can tell us, they've either forgot or are too embarrassed to admit they hoodwinked (lied) to the public.

From these Gibbo quotes it seems pretty clear. The standalone V64 RRP is $499. Retailers set their prices. AMD look to ensure that retailers sell at their RRP and either ask or strong-arm them to at least sell X amount of stock at their stated RRP. After which AMD release the retailers. The retailers put the price up to 'whatever they deem fair'.

Spoiler

AMD Launch price of $499, some posters get it, some do not, but in fairness AMD have wored things poorly causing mass confusion.

Black stand alone card was $499 for a set launch quantity, which is now all sold, as such now all you can buy from OcUK is the bundle packs, Black and Silver which are $599 or the Aqua which is $699.
Stand alone is no more, unless AMD say so.

Lets try to make it clear before launch, AMD have said a LAUNCH PRICE of $399, what that means is they will give retailers a set quantity to sell at that price, when that quantity is gone the price will go up to whatever retailer deems is fair and makes them a profit.

Expect $399+TAX to convert to somewhere between £349-£399 with VAT and then don't be shocked if within one hour of launch the LAUNCH stock sells out and the price jumps to around £450+ area.

AMD have being told by me, stand alone cards, need to be £449 for VEGA 64 and £349 for VEGA 56, permanently, not just for launch or restricted to a certain volume but permanent. They are worried about miners but we can alleviate that with 1pc per customer, hell I'd even set up voucher codes if AMD wanted it off the radar so loyal customers and forum members could bag 1pc at the LAUNCH pricing. I will keep pushing, because at £449 VEGA 64 is a fantastic bit of kit and VEGA 56 at £349 bargain of the century.

I will push AMD very hard to make this happen, but for it to happen AMD need to support it, because without their support we would make a horrific loss and well if we lose money, then we'd be better off not selling it, FULL STOP! Won't stop pushing because at such prices they will fly, but then on the flip side AMD need to be able to give me like 10,000 units minimum to keep the product in stock and keep with demand.

But we won't stop pushing, I think to be frank AMD are a little shocked with how fast our stock went, I think they themselves have under-estimated how many gamers there still is on HD 5xxx, 6xxx, 7xxx and 290/390 series who wanted and do still want to upgrade to a card from AMD either because they are loyal, like AMD or have a FREESYNC monitor or are planning a FREESYNC monitor purchase.

End of the day there is a huge amount of FREESYNC monitors, some of them very nice, like the 49" Samsung and of course the OcUK killer deal on the LG 34" at £389

 

[melmac]

Videocardz posted a week ago that the MSRP would rise from $499 to $599 for Vega 64, which was before the release date and all the current drama.

I'm not saying it is a good thing to do, but it was known about beforehand.

And yet, in most places that I checked, you can only buy the pack versions with the free games. Where are the single cards gone?

Is it demand? shortages? Supply problems.

If these cards were really good for miners, why are they in stock anywhere, especially if supply is so limited?

 

[ubersonic]

From these quotes it seems pretty clear. The standalone V64 RRP is $499. Retailers set their prices. AMD look to ensure that retailers sell at their RRP and either ask or strong-arm them to at least sell X amount of stock at their stated RRP.

Looks more to me from the quotes like AMD either gave rebates to retailers or offered to cover their losses in order for the opening sales to hit $499, once the limit of cards was hit retailers had to raise prices so they weren't selling at a loss.

This would also explain why the Sapphire V64 is £550 and the Powercolor is £630, because retailers can get the Sapphire stock for less.

 

[pagepack]

From these quotes it seems pretty clear. The standalone V64 RRP is $499. Retailers set their prices. AMD look to ensure that retailers sell at their RRP and either ask or strong-arm them to at least sell X amount of stock at their stated RRP. After which AMD release the retailers. The retailers put the price up to 'whatever they deem fair'.

Gibbo states a set launch quantity at the discounted price, then the price goes up. Can you actually quote OCuk anywhere where they say the RRP is 499?

 

[eddyr]

Looks more to me from the quotes like AMD either gave rebates to retailers or offered to cover their losses in order for the opening sales to hit $499, once the limit of cards was hit retailers had to raise prices so they weren't selling at a loss.

This would also explain why the Sapphire V64 is £550 and the Powercolor is £630, because retailers can get the Sapphire stock for less.

I think that make a 'horrible loss' is specifically in reference to the standalone V64 and any attempt by OCUK to recreate it and sell for £449 (given remaining models in the distribution channel and their pricing).

The saphire/powercolour difference could simply be that one is pre-order while the other is available stock, so why not charge higher prices (whether retailer or distributor driven).

Gibbo states a set launch quantity at the discounted price, then the price goes up. Can you actually quote OCuk anywhere where they say the RRP is 499?

Why would OCUK state $499 and why is it so important that they should?

Gibbo has stated that retailers will price at "whatever is deemed fair".

 

[Brazo]

56cu vega looks superb, 30% faster than 1070 in dirt4

amd pricing atm is like, we dont know what we are doing atm, please stand by for a reply
(means we dont know what we are doing)
get it.....

And 30% less in GTA V.

Both examples of course single out one cards weakness which is why it's best to look at averages. In all the reviews a 56 is at best a few percent better than a stock 1070, naturally an overclocked 1070 will reverse this.

I have no doubt with driver improvements a 56 will get to oc 1070 levels but this is why I can't get excited about it. It's basically a good 980ti.

Unless the price is £250-£275 I just don't see it having advantages over a 1070 to warrant the extra heat/noise/power issues.

 

[pagepack]

Why would OCUK state $499 and why is it so important that they should?

Gibbo has stated that retailers will price at "whatever is deemed fair".

$499 is the much vaunted AMD price given out before launch. I simply want to know if this is true. How hard is it for a simple yes or no?

 

[Rimsy]

Unless the price is £250-£275 I just don't see it having advantages over a 1070 to warrant the extra heat/noise/power issues.

Because a lot of people bought a Freesync monitor thinking the perks would be... Free?
Lesson learned I guess. Free doesn't exist.

 

[harney]

£630 !?!?!?!

Are you having a laugh

 

[FoxEye]

with all due respect to AMD

I waited since before the 1080 launch for vega, believing the hype from the company.

I wasted a then brand new skylake build by waiting, I expected to pay 1080 prices or less for above 1080 ti perfoemance.

I was willing to pay 500 for above 1080 ti performance or maybe 350 for 1080 performance.

Those days are gone and aren't coming back.

Not only are the smaller process nodes more expensive to develop for, but - much more importantly - AMD and nV now knows we're prepared to pay a lot, lot more than that.

So they are just asking what the market will bear.

Seems the market will bear xx70 cards at £400, xx80 cards at £550, and Ti cards at £700.

Don't expect any future gen to bring prices down, or you're likely to be disappointed.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

And 30% less in GTA V.

Both examples of course single out one cards weakness which is why it's best to look at averages. In all the reviews a 56 is at best a few percent better than a stock 1070, naturally an overclocked 1070 will reverse this.

I have no doubt with driver improvements a 56 will get to oc 1070 levels but this is why I can't get excited about it. It's basically a good 980ti.

Unless the price is £250-£275 I just don't see it having advantages over a 1070 to warrant the extra heat/noise/power issues.

Because it supports things like FP16 which Volta will no doubt support and you can overclock a Vega56 a bit too. Since people do keep their cards for a few years in general,I am not sure why hardware enthusiasts seem so in love with a GTX1070,when even Digital Foundry said Vega56 was decent:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-review

If you're looking for an alternative to the GTX 1070, the bottom line is that you're generally getting around 10 to 12 per cent of additional performance with the Vega 56, at the cost of some efficiency. It's also interesting to note just how consistently the card out-performs its competitor - only oddments and bugs along with a strange turnout from Crysis 3 stop it from dominating across the board, even on titles that traditionally favour Nvidia hardware, such as Rise of the Tomb Raider.

It was the same excuse making for people to get a GTX780 over an R9 290 or a GTX970 over a R9 390,and that was save pennies for power consumption. Also at the same time,the same lot kept saying,but overclock the Nvidia card,etc which will also add power consumption so making the difference between the two even less.Yet,we saw how both of those ended,but by then they ran away and moved onto the next series of cards.

Also,looking at the power consumption figures - the Vega56 is either slightly below or slightly above a RX580. So apparently now most people can't even afford to run a RX580.

Unless miners screw the price up or silly people paying beyond the odds for one,as long as the price is under £400 I don't see why people should just instantly get a GTX1070 still.

The only objective view is to look at the games you play and get the one which is fastest in said games.

I can understand a GTX1080,if Vega56 is £400+ but a GTX1070 if it is under £400. Emm??

 

[eddyr]

$499 is the much vaunted AMD price given out before launch. I simply want to know if this is true. How hard is it for a simple yes or no?

Ok. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-freesync-deals.18789696/page-7#post-31060767

RRP is recommended retail price. Retailers are not beholden to it. It reads that AMD went some way to guarantee that retailers would price at the RRP. Retailers now appear to have increased prices due to demand for remaining standalone cards. Otherwise the 'bundle pack' cards are what are left.

 

[ubersonic]

Looks like another retail has backed Gibbo up about AMD's launch practices:

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...-gibson-clears-up-rx-vega64-pricing-disaster/

"the price of just over 5,000 kroner was limited to a limited edition of 275 graphics cards, as the company – as one of AMD’s “selected” online stores – was allowed to sell at a favourable price at launch."

 

[pagepack]

Ok. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-freesync-deals.18789696/page-7#post-31060767

RRP is recommended retail price. Retailers are not beholden to it. It reads that AMD went some way to guarantee that retailers would price at the RRP. Retailers now appear to have increased prices due to demand for remaining standalone cards. Otherwise the 'bundle pack' cards are what are left.

The way I read it there are no card only deals available to buy, only "free game" deals at 599 rrp. This would seem to be an AMD decision, card only 499 was limited stock only on release day. So if card only 499 or 450 sterling can't be bought, it's a little disingenuous for AMD to keep using 499 price.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Looks like another retail has backed Gibbo up about AMD's launch practices:

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...-gibson-clears-up-rx-vega64-pricing-disaster/

"the price of just over 5,000 kroner was limited to a limited edition of 275 graphics cards, as the company – as one of AMD’s “selected” online stores – was allowed to sell at a favourable price at launch."

LMAO,so if that means Vega56 ends up at £450,good luck selling any at a GTX1080 price. Whereas unlike some I don't think a GTX1070 is an instabuy over a Vega56,a GTX1080 is another kettle of fish.

 

[AmateurExpert]

The way I read it there are no card only deals available to buy, only "free game" deals at 599 rrp. This would seem to be an AMD decision, card only 499 was limited stock only on release day. So if card only 499 or 450 sterling can't be bought, it's a little disingenuous for AMD to keep using 499 price.

That's the way I read it too, I agree.

 

[pagepack]

LMAO,so if that means Vega56 ends up at £450,good luck selling any at a GTX1080 price. Whereas unlike some I don't think a GTX1070 is an instabuy over a Vega56,a GTX1080 is another kettle of fish.

The 56 will retail at around £450. Quote from Gibbo...

Expect $399+TAX to convert to somewhere between £349-£399 with VAT and then don't be shocked if within one hour of launch the LAUNCH stock sells out and the price jumps to around £450+ area.

 

[Davedree]

LMAO,so if that means Vega56 ends up at £450,good luck selling any at a GTX1080 price. Whereas unlike some I don't think a GTX1070 is an instabuy over a Vega56,a GTX1080 is another kettle of fish.

gotta support the underdog right

 

[AmateurExpert]

LMAO,so if that means Vega56 ends up at £450,good luck selling any at a GTX1080 price. Whereas unlike some I don't think a GTX1070 is an instabuy over a Vega56,a GTX1080 is another kettle of fish.

The 1080s do look good value, G-sync costs notwithstanding. I don't think AMD have much room to move on pricing as the reference cards look expensive to make - they all have excellent VRMs for example. Perhaps partner AIB manufacturers will be able to deliver cost-optimised variants that can be priced more keenly and so compete with the 1080s that have been out on the market for ages. Unless AMD intentionally gimp mining performance (which is highly unlikely) - Vega won't be available cheaply enough so I think the 1080s will remain better value for most gamers.