Exactly. Like I mentioned earlier, wagner should never have made it past the auditions if they were seriously looking for talent.
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Exactly. Like I mentioned earlier, wagner should never have made it past the auditions if they were seriously looking for talent.
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And what a complete prat he was.
If I remember he released a Christmas single a couple of weeks later totally devaluing everything he said.
And for the same reasons as you, I think that the main finalists are not too bad with Rebecca and Matt Cardle being exceptional.
Pointless debating with you because you're a musician who knows better than us mortals.
So you've insulted the opinion of ash soan, a great british drummer currently working with all the big names, and now you're insulting sting, one of the finest musicians in the country. Isn't that a bit like YOU thinking YOU know better? You see mate, you're a musician but have no qualms about slagging off other musicians either. Pot. Kettle. Black.
There is no one in this years 'x factory' (with the possible exception of cher who isn't that good but still has something kind of unique going on) that is anything more than a poor clone of everything that is already out there. None of them are doing anything special, or anything we haven't seen before but done much better.
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Sting is wonderful and I've live engineered The Police and spent an evening with him however he was a bit of a fruitcake slagging off the X-Factor and then releasing a christmas single.
The drummer in question is trying to defend his choice of bosses.
There is no difference between the X-factor singers he's worked with than what is now.
I'm absolutely 100% positive that if he needs a gig and Matt Cardle knocked on his door he would follow and then alter his slagging off to 'but Matt Cardle is OK'.
Cher is far from unique. I do not see the market for her here in the UK. Rap is not big in a big way that a little girl, who sounds poor and looks crap, will stand out for long. She is not a pop star as she cannot sing, her vocals are terrible hence why she raps (that's a reflection on her singing not rappers in general).
She is not a sex symbol, so no love from that side of things.
She's reportedly singing with Eminem this week (Matt singing with Aguillera apparently mmmmmmmm lovely
), she will be shown just how bad she is tbh.
Cher is anything but unique, really interested to know what people see in her.
Then again, I fail to see anything positive about Cheryl other than her looks, so maybe just me.
She will indeed be bad, compared to Eminem, but then give Cher 10-15 years to refine her "art" (as Eminem has had) and I have no doubt that she will be doing a good job. The plus point with Cher is that she can rap AND sing, mixing the 2 together. Eminem only raps.
You focus way too much on vocal quality. The top selling artist over the last few years is Lady Gaga and she certainly isn't the best vocalist out there, yet she has a certain something, which attracts people to her. She is different and unique. Cher can also be different and unique, but she will need a strong marketing team behind her, to work on this area.
A lot of people seem to compare an XFactor contestant, still trying to win, with an established artist. This is totally wrong. You wouldn't compare A.Burke while she was still trying to win the competition, to what she is now, as she has now moved on and improved. JLS are the same and in their current form/ability would easily win most XFactor finals.
Cher is the only artist, the likes of which XFactor has yet to see. This is the only reason why I believe the Cher has a chance to make a career for herself. The big problem for her is that the votes are going against her, which shows that the public, for whatever reason, just don't like her. This means that her marketing team will need to re-invent her (perhaps give Cher some lessons in humility). If they successfully re-invent her, there are MASSIVE possibilities for Cher. Cher cannot make it on her own and like any other successful artist (B.Spears, Spice Girls, Lady Gaga, etc), will need a VERY strong marketing/management team guiding her.
Justin Beiber was someone who was totally unique, in that he almost didn't require any polishing/re-inventing and was likeable from the get-go. He already had many fans when people saw him sing on youtube. Very few people are this lucky.
Rebecca is unlikely to get a long-term record contract, if only because she is going to be weak at selling herself and putting herself out there (something that Cher and Katie are very good at). If Rebecca has a personality transplant, then she has a chance.
Matt Cardle is the big unknown. I was watching the biggest hits of XFactor winners a few days ago and Shane Ward has done VERY well. In fact, I think he is the most consistently successful XFactor artist over the last few years, where he has had many many hits. My reasoning is that if S.Ward can do it, then may Cardle can do it as well. It remains to be seen if Cardle is prepared to put in the hard graft or not.
I can't help feel that a lot of people commenting and berating XFactor singers are not in touch with chart music and music which is selling. I'm sure most have no idea of which single is currently No.1 in the charts and outselling every other single in the UK.
Yes there is, and I agree with this post below:
Also, compare Rebecca to Leann Rimes singing amazing grace. You say there's good talent on the x factory, yet when you put one of them against what I regard as a good singer, it's like day and night. Rebecca's vibrato control is absolutely shocking, plus she's not making it her own, she's just trying to copy the style of a great gospel singer who did it before.
You are comparing this year's finalists with arguably the best singer to have come from the UK, over the last decade, via XFactor or any other means. By this reasoning, we can say that all heavyweight boxers in the world today are poor, because they are not as good as M.Ali or M.Tyson.
Certainly, this year's finalists are not as great as years gone by, BUT I don't think they are that far off. Cardle is the most likely winner and he can stand toe-to-toe with almost any other previous winner of XFactor. His version of 'Yellow Brick Road' IMO, is better than Elton John's (and Elton is pretty good at what he does).
You are comparing Rebecca, who IMO is not that good, with somebody who has at least a decade of singing experience. Very very unfair. Even Rebecca, with 10 years singing experience will be able to compete against Rhimes. And like I said, Rebecca isn't particularly good.
Oh and as I always say, the best vocalist will not necessarily be the most successful. Its the full package, along with a little luck which defines the success level of a performer.
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It's not about having an amazing voice, I appreciate that some people who make a lot of money shifting a lot of songs, have bad voices. But Cher's is truely horrific when she sings.
You mention giving her 15 years. How is that any reflection on what is going on with the charts now.
I'm not sure I'd be boasting about how my 40 years musical experience has culminated in playing cover versions in pubs.
She was being compared with Eminem (who has at least 15 years, commercial/rapping experience). No fair, given that Cher is only 17 years old. If you want to do a straight comparison, compare her to someone of similar age/experience. Lady Sovereign is a better comparison, even though Lady Sov has many more years experience.
If Cher is smart, she will listen to her marketing team/management and try and make the most of her talents. She can then evolve/improve with time and adapt to changing trends. Her advantage is that she can rap and sing - something that most artists are unable to do.
This is a joke right? She doesn't have a hope in hell. There is no one on the x factor that will ever compare to the quality of leann rimes (and many other singers equal to leann I could link you to) if they sang for the next 50 years. You've either got it or you haven't. Tbh, the talent on american idol is far closer to the likes of leann rimes ability than x factor will ever get, but I haven't see american idol lately, I just recall some singers a while back who were really good.
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You haven't read the thread have you?
Please don't comment unless you now what you're on about.
Merlin5 is claiming because he hits drums he knows everything about music.
I'm claiming that after 40 years I still know bugger all.
You can apologise now.
She can't Rap that well at all. Whether she is 17 or 70 it makes no difference. I've been listening to Hip-Hop since Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five started the whole thing and Cher is not that great, or that talented.
What she has got going for her is attitude, loads of attitude.
MC Lyte was 16 when she broke the scene and Cher is nowhere near that standard, Missy Elliot was 19, Lil Kim was 18, Roxanne Shante was 15.
Dr Dre was 17 when he worked with KRS-One and BDP, Ice Cube and MC Ren were 17 when they wrote the "Straight Outta Compton" Album as part of N.W.A., that kinda puts Cher's Huge talent in perspective, don't you think...
The list goes on.
Cher will have her 15 minutes of fame and that will be about it I suspect.
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