***The X-Factor Thread - ALL X-Factor Related Stuff In Here***

["andy"]

double post but may as well use it to join in mocking cher. she is poor.

she can rap and sing but do neither of them well enough for anyone to care.

the only thing she has going for her is that she has copied the style and mannerisms of cheryl cole who for some reason teenagers countrywide idolise.

even the lass from N dubz has more talent , she also has a decent non copied personality and im sure that N dubz probably write their own material too

 

["andy"]

i actually enjoyed the entertainment of wagner when i tuned in but i still dont agree with how the show exploits people


this guys quote sums it all up for me and is one reason why i will most likely buy the 'cage against the machine' single this year. he has made his own version of cages 4'33 and i find the reason behind it is great.

My 4'33" is made up of the static crackle, hum and pop on the intro grooves of 312 of my favourite records - that little moment of apparent nothingness when you drop the needle and wait for the music.

For me, there is more excitement and anticipation in those 2 seconds before each record starts, than there is in a thousand series of X Factor, Pop Idol, Britain's Got Talent, etc.

These are records made with passion, flair, fun, experimentation, freedom, uncertainty, hopes, pain, and fire. Records made by people, not committees.

These are not exercises in popularity or mechanical talent - the ability to hit the technically perfect note on a proven and saccharine pop standard - these are the sounds of people who had ideas and dreams, created music to express them, and meant it. Some of these artists you'd have heard of, and some never made it. But each record has a story attached, and those two seconds of silence and crackles to me is like opening the cover of a book.

- FAKE BLOOD

 

[Merlin5]

You haven't read the thread have you?
Please don't comment unless you now what you're on about.

Merlin5 is claiming because he hits drums he knows everything about music.
I'm claiming that after 40 years I still know bugger all.

You can apologise now.

Well, no, I'm not claiming that at all. If that were the case, I'd say "I know everything about music". I'm really not as arrogant as you seem to be painting me. If you took the time to compare the 2 videos I posted of rebecca and leann, you'd surely see that all I'm saying is there's a world of difference between someone who is decent and someone who is amazing. The name of the show is 'x factor'. Leann has the 'x factor'. no one currently on the show has the 'x factor', unless you have pretty low standards.

But at the end of the day, it's just my opinion. Don't get so upset.

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I'm claiming that after 40 years I still know bugger all.

Well that's obvious. (I'm kidding, and I've drunk some wine)

 

[sunama]

she can rap and sing but do neither of them well enough for anyone to care.

Simon Cowell, "cares".
Cheryl Cole, "cares."
I would say that this is a pretty damn good start. In a year or so when Cher releases her first single, we shall find out if anybody else "cares". Until then, the jury is out.

this guys quote sums it all up for me and is one reason why i will most likely buy the 'cage against the machine' single this year. he has made his own version of cages 4'33 and i find the reason behind it is great.

So, let me get this straight, you may buy a single, which has only a few snap crackle and pops (ie. nothing), in order to prevent XFactor getting to No.1?

What would even possess somebody to pay money on "nothing"?

At least people who buy the XFactor single enjoy the song; people who buy the "nothing" single are just plain crazy. What's even more shocking is that these people are boasting about it and think that in some way, they are "cool" or "credible".

 

[Morba]

She can't Rap that well at all. Whether she is 17 or 70 it makes no difference. I've been listening to Hip-Hop since Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five started the whole thing and Cher is not that great, or that talented.

What she has got going for her is attitude, loads of attitude.

MC Lyte was 16 when she broke the scene and Cher is nowhere near that standard, Missy Elliot was 19, Lil Kim was 18, Roxanne Shante was 15.

Dr Dre was 17 when he worked with KRS-One and BDP, Ice Cube and MC Ren were 17 when they wrote the "Straight Outta Compton" Album as part of N.W.A., that kinda puts Cher's Huge talent in perspective, don't you think...

The list goes on.

Cher will have her 15 minutes of fame and that will be about it I suspect.

Wow, were they really that young?!
That is crazy

 

[exia]

She's reportedly singing with Eminem this week (Matt singing with Aguillera apparently mmmmmmmm lovely ), she will be shown just how bad she is tbh.

Where did you read this? Any leaks on the others?

 

["andy"]

So, let me get this straight, you may buy a single, which has only a few snap crackle and pops (ie. nothing), in order to prevent XFactor getting to No.1?

What would even possess somebody to pay money on "nothing"?

At least people who buy the XFactor single enjoy the song; people who buy the "nothing" single are just plain crazy. What's even more shocking is that these people are boasting about it and think that in some way, they are "cool" or "credible".

yes and i will play it loud and proud.

because that 'nothing' and john cage have more artistic credit behind them than any of the x factor finalists singles will have. even though i like mary , matt and rebeccas voices they are cowells puppets , they will sing what he wants them to sing and act how he wants them to act. i for example would happily pay to go see them play/sing their own material or favourite songs at an open mic or small gig but currently they are just being exploited.

not only is this 'nothing' something that i believe in but all the proceeds go to some great music and sound related charity's too. wheres the harm

music is about more than record sales and 'sexy' videos

 

[Domo]

The plus point with Cher is that she can rap AND sing, mixing the 2 together.

Following this thread its clear we all have a different idea on what constitutes being a good singer/performer.
Cher definitely has stage presence, more so than any other act throughout this competition, that cannot be argued. But she cannot sing or rap.
Perhaps you're right and this can be fine tuned, but I think she will fade into obscurity long before such refinement is apparent.
It's already been said before, but Leona, Alexandra and the likes of Fame Academy's Lemar all demonstrated a consistently high level of talent throughout their respective competitions.

Merlin5 and Morba are on the money. I'm not a musician, but relative to what I usually listen to, this year's x-factor is very disappointing.

 

[wozza2k]

She was being compared with Eminem (who has at least 15 years, commercial/rapping experience). No fair, given that Cher is only 17 years old. If you want to do a straight comparison, compare her to someone of similar age/experience. Lady Sovereign is a better comparison, even though Lady Sov has many more years experience.

If Cher is smart, she will listen to her marketing team/management and try and make the most of her talents. She can then evolve/improve with time and adapt to changing trends. Her advantage is that she can rap and sing - something that most artists are unable to do.

Er compare current Grime artist Chipmunk to Cher, he was about 18 when he broke out doing a track on the Kidulthood soundtrack and he had a better natural flow than Cher. And you say you can't compare Eminem to Cher because of his experience that is true, but Eminem even when he started out had a better flow and delivery than Cher does now and she's had plenty of time to learn by studying current rappers as well as all the back catalogues of many successful hip-hop artist. Hip hop artists such as Nas & Drake have built/developed themselves via studying other peoples work.

Personally I don't think Cher is a natural rapper or singer, she is musically very off and out of touch, when she does 'rap' her flow isn't to the music, its the same when she sings she's very off tune. To me she doesn't have any natural rhythm.

As a artist I can't see her making it as genuine rapper as I doubt she battles or is even capable of writing her own rhymes which is what makes rapping an art form. As a singer she doesn't really have an good enough voice to make it in the R&B genre, sure she'll do fine in the Poppy R&B genre but I am not sure that's where she wants to go.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Personally I don't think Cher is a natural rapper or singer, she is musically very off and out of touch, when she does 'rap' her flow isn't to the music, its the same when she sings she's very off tune. To me she doesn't have any natural rhythm.

I'm afraid everybody debating whether Cher can rap doesn't mean a jot to the X-Factor record buying public.
The only rap I've listened to is Eminem and Clawfinger so I have no idea what excellent rap is supposed to be and because of that Cher sounds OK to me.
It's a bit like opera buffs slagging off Russell Watson and Paul Potts but to us mortals it sounds like opera to us.
What Cher will do is make rap more accessible to those people who would never listen to it or buy it and that can only be a good thing.
It's a bit like when The Darkness came out, they were slagged by the real rock fraternity but they made rock more accessible and I knew people who were suddenly buying other rock stuff who never did before.

 

[Tombstone]

Certainly seems to be a lot more "effort" going into Cher than Rebecca. Has Rebecca had anything like this yet with Cheryl Cole?

She might have and I've just not seen it, but it does seem that they know which one is the more marketable singer.

 

[Morba]

Watch cheryl dance!

 

[krooton]

Lol, the twiglet makes Cole look fat

Also, her spaz-hand makes me want to kick her in the **** even more!!

 

[Jabbs]

If Cher wins then I will say fix as she isn't the best singer there and it shows they have stepped in to make sure she wins, we all know the public don't like her.

 

[Podmonkey]

All hail the new face of Xfactor!!!!

 

[sunama]

If Cher wins then I will say fix as she isn't the best singer there and it shows they have stepped in to make sure she wins, we all know the public don't like her.

Given that the votes have placed her in the bottom 2 a couple of times now, it is highly unlikely that she will win the competition.

Cardle will most likely win.

As to who will be the most successful in the medium term - wait and see.

 

[sunama]

I'm afraid everybody debating whether Cher can rap doesn't mean a jot to the X-Factor record buying public.
What Cher will do is make rap more accessible to those people who would never listen to it or buy it and that can only be a good thing.

Too right. I think someone was discussing MC battles, earlier on this thread. MC battles have no effect on your position in the charts. Marketing is king and if an artist/song is marketed correctly, it should sell by the bucket-load.

 

[Podmonkey]

What will be more interesting is if they try and write her some of her own 'raps' or continue to 'pay homage' (rip off and ruin) to good records. It will ofcourse happen on the first single (xfactor tradition or something) but if it gets as far as her own album then what? It will be the most watered down teletubby rap if its still cowell in charge as the young kiddies are the market (as shown on her return home...).

 

[[J.D.C]]

I think Cher has obviously got a particular audience. My girlfriend for example likes her. Doesn't like her more than the rest of the acts but she does like her.

I've never thought she was anything beyond average myself. Odd.

 

[duc999]

The pairings of stars and X Factor acts have been confirmed for the celebrity duets on this weekend's final.

Simon Cowell's boyband One Direction will team up with Take That star Robbie Williams, while Matt Cardle will partner with US popstar Rihanna.

Cher Lloyd will be reunited with her bootcamp mentor will.i.am, while Rebecca Ferguson has been teamed with Christina Aguilera.