What BS exactly?
There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life
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Caporegime
So you mean you've had the Alpha Course ads, which promotes a basic Christianity course, as opposed to pro-atheist ads cited here?
Also, faith healing isn't that loony for most Christians, though the term "faith healing" is generally rather perjorative given the bad press it's had for one reason and another.
Imo I feel that religion = war and feel that believers put pressure on non-believers. Most believers I have met feel the same about as we do about believers (as in 'we are right, you are wrong'). Doesn't that just make us all the same.
Imo I feel that non-believers are less aggressive as we don't really care who made the world, who will save us etc etc.
Imo I feel that non-believers are less aggressive as we don't really care who made the world, who will save us etc etc.
Caporegime
If you really have to ask, then I fear there's little hope for you. However here are some examples of the BS that is regularly spouted about religion here:
- All Religion is evil
- Religion has caused more wars than any other issue.
- Atheists are passive, non-aggressive people who don't force their point of view on others
- Science is the opposite of Religion, and therefore not compatible
- The Holy books are nothing more than a fairy tale
- People only become religions because of "brain washing", like being Christened.
Plus many others that I can't quite remember off the top of my head.
Soldato
Most believers I have met feel the same about as we do about believers (as in 'we are right, you are wrong'). Doesn't that just make us all the same.
Yes it does, bizzarely
. Your assertion that there isn't a God is just as strong a statement of belief as someone claiming there is.
Imo I feel that religion = war and feel that believers put pressure on non-believers. Most believers I have met feel the same about as we do about believers (as in 'we are right, you are wrong'). Doesn't that just make us all the same.
Imo I feel that non-believers are less aggressive as we don't really care who made the world, who will save us etc etc.
I wouldn't agree, I don't believe much but could be regarded as aggressive as a person.
Soldato
I said it a million times, It's not the religion that's the problem, most of the problems come from the followers of the religions/faiths.
Firstly, thanks for patronising me by stating there's "little hope for me" - this does none of your arguments any favours.
- All Religion is evil
I don't think religion is evil per se, but I think it does more harm to the world than good. Yes, there are some positive aspects (community spirit for one) but I think on the whole it is more damaging. See below for more detail!
- Religion has caused more wars than any other issue.
In just the past ten years we have: Palestine (Jews vs. Muslims), the Balkans (Orthodox Serbians vs. Catholic Croatians; Orthodox Serbians vs. Bosnian and Albanian Muslims), Northern Ireland (Protestants vs. Catholics), Kashmir (Muslims vs. Hindus), Sudan (Muslims vs. Christians and animists), Nigeria (Muslims vs. Christians), Ethiopia and Eritrea (Muslims vs. Christians), Sri Lanka (Sinhalese Buddhists vs. Tamil Hindus), Indonesia (Muslims vs. Timorese Christians), Iran and Iraq (Shiite vs. Sunni Muslims), and the Caucasus (Orthodox Russians vs. Chechen Muslims; Muslim Azerbaijanis vs. Catholic and Orthodox Armenians)
Quite a few million deaths there.
- Atheists are passive, non-aggressive people who don't force their point of view on others
I wouldn't generalise about atheists any more than I'd generalise about any other group of people. All I can say is I agree with their views with regards religion.
- Science is the opposite of Religion, and therefore not compatible
It's not the opposite, it just goes against the fundamentals of my belief system in that the onus is on someone putting forth a theory to prove it, not for me to disprove them.
- The Holy books are nothing more than a fairy tale
I'll concede on this one - I hold any "modern" religion texts in as much regard as I would to stories of Apollo and Zeus. They have just as much evidence going for them as the bible or koran.
Soldato
Possibly a fair point from your experience, they can't feel that relaxed though if they feel the need to post on the side of buses.
There may even be a mistaken assumption in the belief that people need to be told there "probably isn't a God" and as a consequence they should just get on and enjoy their lives? I can enjoy my life without the need for the Humanist Society telling me, thank you very much. They have completely misunderstood the personal nature of what it is to be religious and what it is that can be gained from it if they assume belief in a God makes you unhappy and unable to get on with your life.
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Possibly a fair point from your experience, they can't feel that relaxed though if they feel the need to post on the side of buses.
I think they just want to have a turn at trying to make others believe in what they do (or non-believe in this case)
Associate
Excellent post. The 'Holy' books are perhaps more than fairy tales in the amount of people that take them literally; but they contain the same fictions, the same ideas about how to live your life.
But a religion IS its followers
And religion was invented by clever men who knew they didnt have the technology or resources to keep a country ands it citizens in order so it scare mongered them
So perhaps governments have had more say then we believe in the past. hey the Romans brought out a new set of laws called 'the bible'
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Soldato
But a religion IS its followers
And religion was invented by clever men who knew they didnt have the technology or resources to keep a country ands it citizens in order so it scare mongered them
So perhaps governments have had more say then we believe in the past. hey the Romans brought out a new set of laws called 'the bible'
The Bible wasn't brought out by the Romans!
Bloody Romans!
Caporegime
Thank you for proving my point.
Your list of so called "religious conflicts" around the world is frankly laughable - in almost every case you've cited, ethnicity and land are the main causes and not religion. Your ignorance is astounding, you've even mistaken Palestinians as Muslims when a sizeable percentage are Christians.
Man of Honour
If a group of atheists want to propogate this message then fair enough, I can only say I support their right to do so. However it does rather smack of preaching and gives some credo to the view that atheism (or at least some atheists) share many of the characteristics of the hardline religious. If you are trying to differentiate yourself from another group and claim a logical position then simply mirroring their actions doesn't strike me as the best way to do it.
I do not think all religion is evil, but as above I feel it does more harm than good.
I am not ignorant enough to think that it has caused more wars than any other issue, but it has caused some wars and deaths, for example we would have far less terrorism without religion.
I dont believe all atheists are as you have described them, some are some arent, same as any other group of people.
Science and religion cannot be compatible all the time. They have different views on creation and evolution and other things.
I do however regard holy books as fairy tales.
I also agree with your last point to an extent. Although it is not like that 100% of the time, it is in some cases. I come from a mostly catholic family as my Dad is Irish. He was forced to go to church every sunday and when he did not he would be at trouble at school and with his parents, he went to a catholic school. His school and his parents try to force religion on him. The only reason his parents were catholic is because they were brought up that way.