This Business and Moment...

So my wife today is at the Ortho consultant and seeing another one in a couple of weeks in London, which means we have to think about moving back to the UK/ timelines etc. now. So I have been looking at jobs.
I applied for a few just chucking the CV out there, but I spoke to someone today about a Programme Manager contract in London. He said I needed a better CV but from speaking to me he was happy to put me forward for the shortlist.

I've just forked out a ton to have my CV redone by a proper company specialising in the PM area... so let's hope it's worth it! Hopefully after Thursday I'll hear more about whether the client wants to meet with me.
 
I am still waiting to hear back from my interview last week. The guy did say "hopefully" at the beginning of the week. I can also see he is away on Skype, not that that necessarily means much these days.

Fortunately it's been busy at work so it's keeping my occupied. I hope he gets back to me soon!
 
randomshenans said:
Yea, I'm so busy at the moment trying to spin all these plates, it seems like I'm falling behind on everything. Ugh.
It's such a mission! Wish you luck though dude, would be ideal for you
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Thanks mate. Hopefully!

I have tried not to get my hopes up and bet on getting it too much. If I don't get it I will be disappointed as its an ideal role, rather than because I want it and have excited myself! :)

Will need a beer if I don't get it, mind.

We shall see :) - positive thoughts and all that!
 
randomshenans said:
On places like CW jobs etc. there are a fair number of home based 2nd line job contracts with fairly decent money!

Have a punt at some of those too.
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Awesome website!

Nice to see local jobs to me on 25-50% more than I am on doing similar things.

Also nice to see where my knowledge gaps are and things I need to learn to progress. Software development is something I'd love to get into but I just don't have the time so it's all helpdesk stuff right now.
 
Dis86 said:
Urgh...not liking this new job so far.
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What's up? :(


I'm starting to lose motivation and I'm unclear on my career prospects, my progression seems to change path for the better quite often however I feel I need more clarity so I understand if I'm better focusing my efforts elsewhere - I don't feel like becoming a sole trader would be the best for me due to the lack of credit availability which I feel would be a burden later in life however I quite like the idea of having a second job/self employment on the side, however if I can stay in-house and focus my efforts there and see similar rewards even on a commission basis I'd prefer that :/
 
Got my "professional CV" back. Looks like I could have done it... ha either way, if it's effective, I don't really care.
I'm hoping I make the shortlist for this programme manager contract in London, but also noticed the same guy is recruiting for a very similar role in a Law firm, too. They sound like really interesting contracts, albeit 3hrs a day commuting, but hey, wouldn't be forever.
 
I've just found out that a new starter in an admin role is on £2k more a year than me, final nail in the coffin for me that. I know several 8 year olds that could do that job. :(
 
AHarvey said:
I've just found out that a new starter in an admin role is on £2k more a year than me, final nail in the coffin for me that. I know several 8 year olds that could do that job. :(
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Final nail before asking for the money you deserve, or spitting the dummy out?
 
Hyburnate said:
What's up? :(


I'm starting to lose motivation and I'm unclear on my career prospects, my progression seems to change path for the better quite often however I feel I need more clarity so I understand if I'm better focusing my efforts elsewhere - I don't feel like becoming a sole trader would be the best for me due to the lack of credit availability which I feel would be a burden later in life however I quite like the idea of having a second job/self employment on the side, however if I can stay in-house and focus my efforts there and see similar rewards even on a commission basis I'd prefer that :/
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It's just not the job that was sold to me. I was told for a start that I'd have a team of design engineers reporting directly to me - I don't. They're a pooled resource.
I was told travel would only be happening once or twice a month - nope, it's a couple of times a week. Given that disruption to my life I'd have been wanting much more money than they're paying me.
The work itself is OK but a lot simpler than I'm used to - just not challenging in the slightest and much smaller in scope. I'm used to dealing with projects of a lifespan of 2-3 years and budget of tens of millions. These things are tens to hundreds of thousands and last a few months.

Never thought I'd say this but I want my work to be harder! Same as you it's direction and prospects that are the problem. I'm very good at what I do. The trouble is I can't get the position I want because I'm seen as too young even though I'm very experienced. I had it said during a previous interview that I was 'too young' and they thought people would have an issue taking direction from me. I think with other people it's just a case of they don't realise what I can do and how useful I'd be to them. The NHS is a prime example - I can't get a look in yet I have several friends and former colleagues who have said that I'd be far better in various positions than people who are in them. It's damn frustrating!
The other thing is the work is a very narrow field - I'm used to requiring a huge breadth of knowledge. I'm in the position where because of this I've actually been able to give advice to people who have been in this new field for decades. The looks on their faces were brilliant!

tldr: I'm probably overqualified and over-experienced for my role and was expecting more out of it than I'm going to get.
 
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Dis86 said:
It's just not the job that was sold to me. I was told for a start that I'd have a team of design engineers reporting directly to me - I don't. They're a pooled resource.
I was told travel would only be happening once or twice a month - nope, it's a couple of times a week. Given that disruption to my life I'd have been wanting much more money than they're paying me.
The work itself is OK but a lot simpler than I'm used to - just not challenging in the slightest and much smaller in scope. I'm used to dealing with projects of a lifespan of 2-3 years and budget of tens of millions. These things are tens to hundreds of thousands and last a few months.

Never thought I'd say this but I want my work to be harder! Same as you it's direction and prospects that are the problem. I'm very good at what I do. The trouble is I can't get the position I want because I'm seen as too young even though I'm very experienced. I had it said during a previous interview that I was 'too young' and they thought people would have an issue taking direction from me. I think with other people it's just a case of they don't realise what I can do and how useful I'd be to them. The NHS is a prime example - I can't get a look in yet I have several friends and former colleagues who have said that I'd be far better in various positions than people who are in them. It's damn frustrating!
The other thing is the work is a very narrow field - I'm used to requiring a huge breadth of knowledge. I'm in the position where because of this I've actually been able to give advice to people who have been in this new field for decades. The looks on their faces were brilliant!

tldr: I'm probably overqualified and over-experienced for my role and was expecting more out of it than I'm going to get.
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Sounds like you need to look for something else, or see if you can find something more challenging in your current employers remit to offer.

AHarvey said:
I've just found out that a new starter in an admin role is on £2k more a year than me, final nail in the coffin for me that. I know several 8 year olds that could do that job. :(
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Many people have said here that you are being taken advantage of, you need to do one of three things:

1. Be happy as you are, because it doesn't sound like it's going to change where you work. Stop doing extra work, you're not being paid enough to do it, just 9-5 it and don't check emails or anything out of your contracted hours.
2. Find employment elsewhere, hopefully somewhere that actually pays you some real money!
3. Go to your boss and say you need more money, you know, for life things? I know complete idiots that don't know anything that get paid what you earn! If they can't or won't do anything, then do option 2. Option 1 would make you look silly if you did this :P

I'm not saying that 1. is a bad idea, but you need to fully appreciate that if you do option 1 then nothing will fundamentally change. The company you work for doesn't sound like it's going to treat you any differently to how it has been doing.
 
I've reached a point where I can see that if I want to earn more in IT as a permie, then I need to consider and push for management roles. But...

The trouble is I am team lead and semi-manage a team which is already boring me with the amount of meetings I have to go to to hear project managers trying to buy our time and sweet talk us into delivering stuff that is impossible in the time they want it. Managing is boring to me. I don't enjoy it or feel good managing. I actually prefer to take orders and deliver stuff, even to harsh deadlines. Being a project manager for me would be the most unrewarding thing ever and I despise what some of them get paid, for essentially "checking in" with various people a couple of times a week and nicely asking them to get a move on and do their bit, whilst otherwise doing not a lot.

I thrive on the technical side of things. Building and creating things. I should have been a coder/dev/programmer I think. I'm in an application support role managing code releases. It's good for me because it can be technical and require fixes/automation/configuration/build etc.

I manage a contractor that does everything I do but a bit less if anything, and he's probably on about double what I earn.
I think I need to look into contracting but I kind of don't know where to start.
 
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