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Throrik said:
Expecting a counter, but it would have to be seriously good and I wouldn't work for the head of that department now he's shown his true colours, whereas my current manager is amazing.
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Funny thing with counter offers is that statistically 75% (made that up but it's high like that) of people who accept a counter, end up leaving within 12 months anyway as the money isn't the main motivator in the first place.


I've just booked my first work holiday in over 10yrs. Being internal and not a contractor it's the first time I get a paid holiday, and as I've been so busy since I started I've built up some decent overtime/ flexi time too. Just booked off 2 fridays in November and the 1st Dec through to the 11th Jan... if you're taking holiday for the first time may as well take the whole of december off!
 
dowie said:
Thing is staying then moving later can be financially motivated too - given offers are often based on current comp. Like if you're really unhappy with your current pay then rather than move right away and get your 10-20%... get your 10-20% counter offer, stay for 6 months on that higher salary and then get yourself a new offer elsewhere for another 10-20% on top of that!
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This is very true and could be a really good move if you're confident you can go out in another 6-12 and get another offer, I'd consider it. Like dowie says, it's a potential 40% hike in salary if you do it well! I suppose it also depends on what you're paid vs. market value.
 
Casdawer said:
Got wind of a really exciting opportunity for the business I work at as so told our Regional VP about it. He wanted me to explore it more as it was an interesting opportunity but I've been told to get back in my box by my Line Manager as the work is not in scope for this/next fiscal and that I should never bypass him to go directly to the VP.
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It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission ;) I'd be scoping it out anyway, do it for the VP and even if it's a bit of your own time. Line manager is threatened, simple as.
 
Steedie said:
It's been bliss and a big wake up call. 6 years and I've had 18 days holiday
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Yea man, I took 2 full actual weeks off in 8 and a half years over here contracting and the 5 days I was forced to over Christmas, otherwise I was always on. Since going perm I've worked harder, but got all the flexi time back so have been off since start of December. A whole month off. Blow my mind, but I've not been bored in the slightest! I've had a complete blast, done SO much stuff and it's been great.
 
Rids said:
Back at work, CFO is outlining big plans for yet another massive project in my area. This will be the 4th year in a row we've done something absolutely massive, and would probably move us from the good spot we're in now to being truly market leading in this field. I'm really struggling to get excited by the prospect though, its been non stop for the best part of 3 years, I've taken this function from one that wasn't performing at all and relying on under performing third party suppliers to being this really solid spot that its in now, and I've been fairly rewarded for that. I just don't think I have it in me to go through another 9 months of hell. I'm not enjoying what I do anymore, I'm at the point that I want to put a bow on this and give it to somebody else to run this one last step.
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I remember you going through all this and sounded like you were really up against it and was a battle to get the upper support you needed. It sounds like you have done really well despite the challenges. Maybe an option is to see if you can be the one to bring someone in and you manage it top level and delegate to them on the things that'll make your life easier? Could you put together a proposal for something like that?
 
physichull said:
Its much more like something I would want to be doing for the rest of my life, that's for sure. Whilst my current place pays more, its just completely grinding me down. Its stressed me out beyond belief, so much so its led me to a prescription for anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds. I feel like I need to get out. I need to enjoy what I do.
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Ah mate, I understand it from that point of view! From the outset it seemed like a bad move from a distance and money point of view but mental health and enjoying what you're doing is the most important thing, since we're doing it most of our days!
 
Rids said:
Probably the best offer anybody has ever made me in an employment context, I'm taking it at face value for now and not pondering whether it will actually happen, but its good to feel valued.
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Wow that's a win. I agree, will it all happen like he says etc. BUT the fact that he's been open to the discussion and put it out there for you to define your ideal job really does show they value your work there. Nice job and keep us updated how it is going!
 
wingman said:
What would you guys do?
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I'd probably work out what I wanted first; if you'd like to go into management then that could be your plan and your approach would be different to simply making people aware that you're doing what you're doing. Would a step into that sort of role be something you'd like?


From me, I've been in my new role since August. Dealing with the leadership team is a pain in my rear! They don't know enough to make decisions, but want to feel like they are powerful so just slow the simplest of things down. I'm working with all the product lines and product teams to help them establish in their new teams and processes to help them work. It's mega busy and I didn't finish last night until about midnight. Today I'm in meetings until 7pm and have been in meetings since 11. We've just had an announcement was well that all Infra will move from our engineering team to the global company. It's only about 50ish people but it's a bit of a blow. We are in the middle of changing operating models to a lean product delivery model and all our infra will now have to be requested from the most unagile and bureaucratic organization there is (our parent company...!) sigh. Now everyone is running around working out what to do and a few friends, who have been here for over 20yrs are now moving to the parent company. I'd be surprised if that wasn't short term and that the companies overall aim would be to offshore this. Ah the joys!!
 
Buffman said:
Just been offered a job offer for 48k and the HR contact claims they can't offer 50k and put the phone down within 2 minutes..... Seems surprising to me?

Obviously I said i was interested but wanted the extra money. Seems odd to snub interest for a 3% difference. I've told them throughout i want 50k.
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Does sound odd. Sounds like it's into another "bracket" or something that puts it outside that role or something. Is it a big company? If they're not I'd be surprised at their point blank response tbh!
 
I have a Careers people favour to ask!

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I posted this on this investors post about my side project. It's got 10 likes at the moment but for visibility I'd love to totally smash the other 100 odd comments by getting a huge number of likes on my comment. I'm not even bother about investment at this point, but it's great marketing when you're doing it on a zero $ budget like I am at the moment. It's driven over 100 people to our site in the last 24hrs which is huge for me lol

I'd massively appreciate any likes you have in you on the comment of mine :)

Thanks OcUK!
 
Quality news on the job man! Sounds like a really challenging place to be in a good way!



Screeeech said:
Not thought of the Amex thing, I'll look into that, thanks :)
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mattx2 said:
Quick tip open an Amex card now and build a credit history with them then transfer it to the US not having a credit history/score in the US is a pain.
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I'd agree with that. My mum lived in the US for a year setting up an office and she had a nightmare trying to sort things out without a credit history. Renting somewhere, mobile phone, home internet etc. was all a bind.
 
Man work has been an interesting/ strange place at the moment. This whole re-org has been a joke to be honest, and me as the only person who is looking after product from an advisory point is madness. Everything I am spinning up is way bigger than just myself. I'm currently spending 50% of my time in meetings, 50% of my time doing proposals for things and then they also expect me to deliver on creating a shedload of product resources, a whole training for non product managers, the whole product playbook and a product operations function. I just don't have the resource under me, so need to work out how best to position that going forwards. It's rewarding stuff and has great impact and value, but so much falling on my shoulders just makes it hard to plan for achieving it all without it crashing down or missing things.
One team, which isn't under our team's space is demand management. The guy who is running this team at the moment is a pain in the arse. We're running a lean product org and he wants to spend months locked up on his own trying to come up with a really convoluted solution for simple processes. Completely against what we're looking to do. Anyway, just found out he's quit this week! This is good in one sense, he's a dinosaur and we can do better. A lot of the stuff he was "doing" were things that myself and a colleague actually did for them anyway, so not bothered he's gone. I'm more concerned now that my current boss (ad interim, covering my boss whos' off getting chemo!), who is a project manager and knows nothing about this space, is "working with the leadership team to come up with solutions" which I dread. She's nice enough but literally has no idea what she's doing in our space. I heard rumors that my sick boss is interested in the demand role, but she's not due back until May. That would be great as she is actually quality. Risk with that though is my ad interim boss will become my full time boss... ugh.
I am working to try and leap frog this though; I am certified in service management, agile project management and product management, which this space is responsible for. I would like to put myself into that position, or considered for it without ******** on people on the way. So I'm planning my moves at present... Just means a lot of work and I'm doing 12hr days at the moment, with not enough time in those days. Then getting out and hitting all my Cheezus work too. Only plus point is that now my day job reflects a lot of similar things I do in the evening too and I'm enjoying it. Just need to take out some more clueless people and take that Director role.
 
Vanquish-Storm said:
I feel like I should be higher up the career ladder than I am at this stage in my life and with my education, experience and knowledge. Just every now and then I get that imposter feeling.

I like where I work but I can’t see there being any prospects in the near future but then we have a baby on the way and I am worried or jumping ship.

Am I just being stupid? I have never liked moving about but I know of friends that move about a fair bit and go further up the ladder.
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I think once you move a couple of times, the whole change thing is less daunting. You have a job, nothing to stop you looking at opportunities from the comfort of where you are? Ease yourself in that way. See where it leads.

Screeeech said:
Turns out all the machines had bitcoin mining software running on them..... :D
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That's amazing! I wonder how many machines/ companies try this sort of thing around the world and no one has a clue!

I got an email this morning from my bosses boss...

Dear Loic, Ross,

I would like to let you know that I will be announcing a change to the NOE org tomorrow in our global meeting. I decided not to appoint a lead of NDE but rather to flatten our organization. I believe that this change will make us more aligned and nimble, it will bring more opportunities to NOE leaders, and it will minimize disruption in our team that has already been through a lot of uncertainty.

As a result of this, both of you will be reporting to me and joining Elizabeth, Maurette, Carol, Leanne and myself in the NOE LT. These changes will be valid as of May 1st

Congratulations to you both :)

... buckle up ;)

Zuzana
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I suppose that's a good thing? Least I'm moving up the org and not down lol don't think it'll mean a change in title or anything, but better than having something in the role above me that didn't make sense.
 
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