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dirtychinchilla said:
What are the congratulations for then, @randomshenans?
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Not really sure. I was in the global meeting today, and found out that I'll now get the responsibility of product ops, as well as all product management frameworks, which is great. I didn't want anyone else to have it. I am also a part of the leadership team, which is good and means more clout to get what I need done. On the flip side, I am a team of 1. So I need to start making some changes around that. I can't physically do it all on my own, it's impossible. Either way, I'll take it as a promotion. Fewer steps to the CTO (only 2 now), so I suppose that's a plus.
 
Vanquish-Storm said:
No harm in looking about but not necessarily having to jump at the first thing that’s comes about.

@Rroff you are completely right I don’t have a plan anymore, I did do then that changed and what I had planned I haven’t really followed so I guess I need to plan again something that is doable.
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Best part about it is you are in charge. Nothing making you move right now is the perfect time to do it. No stress and you can do it at your leisure.

As for the plan thing, I used to do this a lot. I would have a goal and work my face off to get it. If I didn't have one I felt like I wasn't growing and hated it. My plan has changed more times than I am on here though. It took me so long to work out what I enjoyed and what I wanted to do. I thought it was a lot of things along the way and put work into learn those things and work in that space. I've been a headhunter, 1st / 2nd line support (thanks 2008 recession!), sys admin, service manager, project manager, business analyst, agile project manager, consultant and now work in product management. For once I dont have a plan on where I'm going "at work" but am happy. My job challenges me and I feel it rewards me (and frustrates me equally most days) and I feel like I can create a lot of value. Maybe if that changed, I'd need something else but for me my motivation is always about being challenged, providing value and constantly growing. If my trajectory isn't supporting those things, I tend to get itchy feet.

What do you enjoy? Do you have a sense of what part of your job you like the most, or what you'd like to do more of? Where you see yourself, or what you see yourself doing?

What is your current role? What's your age and situation? Would be good to know. I think it's easy to get comfortable and change then becomes scary but once you've done it a couple of times and realise that no company is truly loyal to you and you need to look out for yourself, then you get a bit more daring. BUT, it has to match your life expectations too. Work and life balance is increasingly important to me as I get older (and I'm only 35 but value my time WAY more than I did 5-10yrs ago).


dirtychinchilla said:
That sounds like a healthy promotion, particularly when you’re in charge. You surely are going to need a team though?

I wish I knew some product managers…:p
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I wish I could just employ product managers, it'd be so much easier! (there is a product manager position open BTW in the scientific product space under my old boss :P )
My space sits under this NOE space, which is operational excellence, which means I don't manage product managers, or that org, I just own the processes and data and am in charge of ensuring that the transition to this new product org is successful... in my ******* team of 1! So I really need to get some support in, but it's not strictly a product manager role. I like it because I get to do product management without having to deal with the actual delivery on products (in our 600+ portfolio which is a huge mission and 90% of the people routinely try and lick their elbows most days). So yea, if you want to move to Basel go for it. Reckon you'd get about 90-100K GBP basic and decent package ;)
 
Sui said:
Then earlier today, I got a notification to say she's trying to contact me through Facebook Messenger, starting to feel stalkerish :mad:
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**** that, i'd make an effort to call them out. Anyone that seeks to find me on socials having cold bugged me in that way on LI can do one! And that comes from me who equally uses LI for "sales" but it's apparently more of a trend at the moment to polarise with emails and messages to get attention. May as well just call people a dick and be done with it!
 
ChrisD. said:
She earns under £20k at the moment (but does get a lot of benefits), so anything higher than that would be a massive bonus. Will get her CV sorted out and put in an application. She has previous knowledge of the field after working in the Hotel industry and organising events. Doubt she'll get an offer but it's worth a try.
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Focus on the transferrable skills required for the new role and I'm sure she has plenty of those from her current role to this one!
 
Martynt74 said:
No love for me unfortunately. Feedback was positive from both interviewers, however they had some other candidates which they felt fitted the role slightly better. He did suggest all feedback was that i would be well suited for more of a consultant type role (of which they don't currently have any available) and so will let me know if anything does come up.
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Ah I'm sorry mate. Always a gutter and no matter what you tell yourself, it still feels like a blow.


Martynt74 said:
All in it’s left me feeling much more positive and staying here for 12 months and having a full start to end implementation will be excellent for me. Although will still be keeping an eye out on other opportunities in the meantime.
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This is good though! It's positive and at least you know jobs like the above one are out there too and it's a possible future role if you want it.
 
Martynt74 said:
My excitement from over the weekend dropped when it turned out my boss/CFO had a meeting yesterday to decide a plan for this next system. I had hoped they'd learnt their lesson from the previous failure and would have involved me from an earlier stage this time, but it seems they still think they can plan things themselves and then just bring me in as and when they feel i'm needed which is disappointing.
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This is ALWAYS my gripe here, too. They brought me on for my experience within a space, but when they go off and make decisions that impact my space without my input it ***** me right off. It's a power and ego thing and it's BS. I feel your pain man. It's **** management.
 
ash_scotland88 said:
Today I have noticed the closing date has been extended, is there any worth of emailing and asking/saying that I have noticed the application has been extended and I would very much like to be reconsidered?
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Tricky one. If they felt you weren't right at that time, I'm not sure it would have changed. That to me sounds like they're just trying to find that unicorn and no one they spoke to quite hit the mark. At the same time is there anything to be lost asking?

My new boss is incredibly frustrating. She's not very good at the whole leading things and continues to run around trying to put out fires in a reactive way, but it's just causing nothing but confusion. I meet with her weekly and go into detail about all I'm working on. My current biggest piece of work is essentially setting up a product operations capability. I did a presentation on this, what it involves, what I'm doing. I've gone into details about this and updates in our 1:1s. So imagine my joy this morning when I get an email saying she was surprised to hear I was doing this across more than just product data, as "that's my role". Problem is, she doesn't understand what product ops is, what it involves and clearly doesn't listen.
Meh. I'll continue to do what I do and ignore her for now. I'm completely aligned with the head of products, as well as the CTO as I met with him yesterday and had a discussion on this, yet she seems to be on another planet.

/rant
 
HangTime said:
I would approach this from a different angle, don't be thinking "should I tell my boss I've turned down an opportunity elsewhere?" but rather "What do I want to achieve in my career? What would need to happen to progress at my current employer? What conversations do I need to invoke around my development plan?" etc. But 7 months in, I'd say this is the sort of conversation I'd be saving for annual / half-yearly performance review.
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Yea, this. Would be completely odd to be approached and told you turned down another opportunity. What response would you expect? A Sly Stallone style two thumbs up?
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randomshenans said:
My new boss is incredibly frustrating. She's not very good at the whole leading things and continues to run around trying to put out fires in a reactive way, but it's just causing nothing but confusion. I meet with her weekly and go into detail about all I'm working on. My current biggest piece of work is essentially setting up a product operations capability. I did a presentation on this, what it involves, what I'm doing. I've gone into details about this and updates in our 1:1s. So imagine my joy this morning when I get an email saying she was surprised to hear I was doing this across more than just product data, as "that's my role". Problem is, she doesn't understand what product ops is, what it involves and clearly doesn't listen.
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Had a meeting with her and another team, who started talking about deciding how roadmaps will be captured longterm... I have multiple emails where I was asked to deal with this and have been putting together, with the business, a comparison. Yet in this meeting my boss seemed unaware of this. She's the one who asked me to do it and I have all the emails saying this!
What made it great though was when I gave an update into my work and what I'm up to. She seemed surprised as always, and asked the others if they knew what I was working on and the long term vision. It sounded like she wanted to catch me out and yet every single person in that meeting said yes and that we met regularly to discuss these things.

Now she's scheduled an hour to meet today with me. FML. I can't be dealing with her today. Should I ask for a promotion? That'll put her on the backfoot :D
 
Maccy said:
She sees you as a thread, move in for the kill :cool:
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Haha She's one of 6 on the leadership team under the CTO. Issues with that bunch (minus one guy, exec dir of Eng, who happens to be a good mate) is that they are a bit clueless on our new world product model but their egos are such that they would never say "oh I don't know but lets work it out" they instead get together, make decisions that impact the business without talking to, or considering input from people who have expertise. It keeps happening and the surveys that keep going around keep showing the disconnect between the leadership and the business and a lack of understanding but they don't listen.

Ayahuasca said:
Ah good old bosses who don't like people below them being competent.
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As above, it's all ego. I'm sure they feel because they have this role they should know everything, but that's not what being a leader is. It's about having a strategy, aligning people and getting the experts you employ to help you make the decisions on key things, then execute. Instead they feel the need to pretend to know everything when they don't.
Hopefully it'll all become clear for most, but a lot of these people have been here 20yrs so whatever. They pay well and the pension is good :P I'll just keep working my evenings in my attempt to escape enterprise and slowly build my own, hopefully with fewer people complaining :D
 
Martynt74 said:
As an update for me, I thought about the offer over the weekend and decided to ask the above company if they can increase their offer to £42k to bring me in line with my current salary (allowing for some benefits i'd lose). If they can increase to that i'm going to accept. I think it sets me up well for my future career plan in implementation. I'd lose out on that initial planning experience i'd get with my current role, but they already use the software to a higher degree than my current firm are intending to with plans for additional features. There's also be rolls outs to other companies within the group and also working on acquisitions and integrating them into the group which i've always enjoyed in the past.
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I'd make sure you were clear with your career aspirations up front with them as well. Moving for the same money is fine for long-term goals, but if you're going to have zero chance of that in that new role, you've hit an instant ceiling.

Noxia said:
"Noxia, you're a loner, you prefer working alone so why do you want to be a PM?" I think this was because he was worried I was going to ask for funding to do it as well but obviously it knocked me back a bit. Told my current employer I want to be a PM day 1 on joining in a different function, within a few days I had a login for all the online APM/Prince2 courses I could do at my leisure and it was so refreshing to be supported in that way. Nearly ready to take the APM Foundation test and then I'm asking to move into a project support role to aid the next stage. It's so nice to feel a genuine response to my future career ambitions. Another reason I want to be a PM is that in my organisation most of the international postings seem to be PM related so I want to expand that option too.
I spoke to someone in the Neuro Inclusivity Network and they said a lot of autistic people gravitate towards PM and Policy roles which was encouraging too.
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Wow what a stark difference there. I can't quite believe that was what your previous employer said! Well, I can actually, but it's still shocking!
 
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