This is why people are losing respect for the police...

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I find this thread incredibly depressing reading, and I’ve not read right the way through either. I worked for the Met Police in a civilian capacity 20 years ago, and although a civvy, my role meant that I saw operational policing at very close quarters. What distressed me more than anything, was how the ordinary Joe PC was often treated. I don’t mean bullying or ill-treatment, but just a complete lack of the care and consideration that should be expected by any employee from any organisation.

Big outdoor events, often involving officers drafted in to help from many other forces, were the most prime example, where it was literally a case of dealing with ‘the herd’ rather than individuals with personal needs and requirements. The basics, if you like. I just couldn't reconcile some of the things I saw with a caring, professional body.

Like I said, that was 20 years ago, and an example of what I have said almost prompted my departure. But apart from the well-documented outside stuff now, I just wonder whether internally, the culture of dismissive management has changed at all, or even deteriorated, some of which may lead to the issues we are now seeing.
 
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I find this thread incredibly depressing reading, and I’ve not read right the way through either. I worked for the Met Police in a civilian capacity 20 years ago, and although a civvy, my role meant that I saw operational policing at very close quarters. What distressed me more than anything, was how the ordinary Joe PC was often treated. I don’t mean bullying or ill-treatment, but just a complete lack of the care and consideration that should be expected by any employee from any organisation.

Big outdoor events, often involving officers drafted in to help from many other forces, were the most prime example, where it was literally a case of dealing with ‘the herd’ rather than individuals with personal needs and requirements. The basics, if you like. I just couldn't reconcile some of the things I saw with a caring, professional body.

Like I said, that was 20 years ago, and an example of what I have said almost prompted my departure. But apart from the well-documented outside stuff now, I just wonder whether internally, the culture of dismissive management has changed at all, or even deteriorated, some of which may lead to the issues we are now seeing.

Thats not the issue

You can pick two crimes to commit, the first is violent offence in the real world, and the 2nd is to insult someone or some ideology on twitter.

As times moves on, you will be more likely to receive a visit from the police for the latter, due to the police being unable to deal with the former.

Essentially, the film, demolition man is playing out.
 
Thats not the issue

You can pick two crimes to commit, the first is violent offence in the real world, and the 2nd is to insult someone or some ideology on twitter.

As times moves on, you will be more likely to receive a visit from the police for the latter, due to the police being unable to deal with the former.

Essentially, the film, demolition man is playing out.

Utter nonsense perpetuated by people who, somewhat ironically, are gullible enough to believe the stories they're told on social media.
 
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Utter nonsense perpetuated by people who, somewhat ironically, are gullible enough to believe the stories they're told on social media.
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OK, not totally the same as the point you countered, but this is a sitting MP, threatening to report a whole website (like this one) to the Met because people posted opinions she does not agree with.

It may not be happening now, but I'm certain there are people that want it to. The gullible are those that do not think the future platinum87 describes is not possible.
 
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OK, not totally the same as the point you countered, but this is a sitting MP, threatening to report a whole website (like this one) to the Met because people posted opinions she does not agree with.

It may not be happening now, but I'm certain there are people that want it to. The gullible are those that do not think the future platinum87 describes is not possible.

It isn't possible, because the resources don't exist to make it possible. The vast majority of "hurty words on Twitter" reports get filed because a) they're rubbish and b) the reporter doesn't actually want to go any further with it. There's finally been decent coverage this year of how burdened police forces across the UK are by mental health calls and having to fill gaps left by shortfalls in other similarly-underfunded and under-resourced services; it's baffling that people still choose to believe the narrative that the police would rather patrol the internet.

I've no idea about the specifics of the above tweet and the tweet she's quoted is gone, so without context it's even less relevant to my point that it already was.
 
Utter nonsense perpetuated by people who, somewhat ironically, are gullible enough to believe the stories they're told on social media.

I dont go on social media, you can read the collage of police guidelines yourself, you can go to the recruitment process yourself, you can observe the people who are police officers yourself.

It isn't possible, because the resources don't exist to make it possible. The vast majority of "hurty words on Twitter" reports get filed because a) they're rubbish and b) the reporter doesn't actually want to go any further with it. There's finally been decent coverage this year of how burdened police forces across the UK are by mental health calls and having to fill gaps left by shortfalls in other similarly-underfunded and under-resourced services; it's baffling that people still choose to believe the narrative that the police would rather patrol the internet.

I've no idea about the specifics of the above tweet and the tweet she's quoted is gone, so without context it's even less relevant to my point that it already was.

You are confused somehow, resources are not relevant even in the slightest to what i have said.

You have police officers now who cannot deal with violent criminals, and therefore they choose to instead go after people who post non-pc stuff on twitter.

The ones who can do something, will not do it as many others cannot, its the same thing you see in workplaces, hire donkeys, keep them around, eventually those doing all the work just stop.
 

The Metropolitan Police said there was no current investigation into the incident as no-one who owned the artwork had come forward to report it stolen.
The piece on Commercial Way was included in photos on his Instagram page on Friday shortly after midday.
During his lunch break, Alex rode a Lime bike to see the piece which was then used by a man to stand on to remove the art.

So you can just randomly take down road signs and walk off with them and it's not a crime ? :cry:

No crime for Banksy and his vandalism either ?
 



So you can just randomly take down road signs and walk off with them and it's not a crime ? :cry:

No crime for Banksy and his vandalism either ?
Banksy IIRC doesn't want his name public, to report something belonging to you stolen you need to give the police your name...

Road signs on are usually owned by people who will put their name, or organization down and report them stolen if they knew they've been stolen.
From memory there was a spate of thefts of them because they were usually aluminum and at the time that was getting a good price as scrap, IIRC it largely stopped because the likes of the local councils started ordering signage made out of other materials, and the scrappies started to have to keep proper records of who they bought from, whilst at the same time there were several prosecutions of both the gangs that were doing it and the scrappies who were knowingly buying the stolen materials.
 
Banksy IIRC doesn't want his name public, to report something belonging to you stolen you need to give the police your name...
It's not his sign though, it's a council owned road sign that he has defaced hasn't he ?

There's 2 crimes here, 1. Banksy and his vandalism of the sign and 2. the actual theft of the sign

but no crime ?
 
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It's not his sign though, it's a council owned road sign that he has defaced hasn't he ?

There's 2 crimes here, 1. Banksy and his vandalism of the sign and 2. the actual theft of the sign

but no crime ?

I think because it's "banksy" the police have no interest in trying to prosecute him as it's not mindless vandalism (even though art is subjective).

One of the pictures of this particular piece looks like the drones were stuck on the sign - it looks a bit 3D.

I'm just amazed the police aren't taking an interest in someone stealing what's effectively council owned property.
 

They finally realise it's theft lol
An arrest has been made. Not sure how the bloke thought he could get away with it. Plus surely nobody with any scruples would buy it.

 
An arrest has been made. Not sure how the bloke thought he could get away with it. Plus surely nobody with any scruples would buy it.

I would be sure there would be plenty of private buyers willing to pay big money for it, but for a young "hood" on the street they'll struggle to get into that market I suspect.
 
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