This is why people are losing respect for the police...

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Devilman said:
Not sure they can do much else to be honest..

CPS is fundamentally looking for cases that are likely to be successfully convicted in court.

If they don't believe they have enough evidence, you cannot really blame them for not taking the case.

Could you imagine the uproar if CPS was found to be spaffing tons of money up the wall on cases with no chance of conviction? :eek:
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I mean when an officer is punched in the face is injured and the cos won't prosecute because the body cam doesn't show the fist connecting yeah I want a trial.

I don't have a body cam so there's way less evidence when I get punched in the face
 
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Dis86 said:
Yet they used to be able to convict people without camera footage.
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Indeed and there were many, many miscarriage's of justice related to "assaulting a police officer" before their actions were being recorded.

I agree though it has become rather ridiculous that it has swung so far in the other direction now that unless they actually see the fist hit the face on camera, they won't take it further.

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I was not defending the CPS for not pursuing the case, only giving an example of the way things would be framed by the media etc.. if the CPS were doing the opposite of what they appear to have done in this case.
 
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arknor said:
Imagine if CCTV was a thing..... instead we have people wasting time flying drones... rather have actual police not some drone operators. massive waste of money

someones been watching to much minority report and thinks AI really is AI inbstead of a dumb algorithm model thats been trained like a toddler would be with blocks and holes
its currently illegal to use a drone without line of sight or someone else having line or sight btw.

for good reason
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Now imagine if that CCTV could go virtually anywhere, provide higher quality images, thermal imaging and downlink directly to control rooms and officers on the ground. It'll save money in the long run because NPAS helicopter deployments will be required less frequently and searches can be conducted more quickly and thoroughly than it would using teams of officers to scour an area. Various forces are already using them successfully for public order, misper/suspect searches, RTC evidence gathering, firearms containments etc.

BVLOS will be permitted soon enough.

Devilman said:
Not sure they can do much else to be honest..

CPS is fundamentally looking for cases that are likely to be successfully convicted in court.

If they don't believe they have enough evidence, you cannot really blame them for not taking the case.
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The issue is that many feel the threshold is often set too high, obstacles are put in the way of progressing a case and if/when a case does actually get to trial the courts themselves offer paltry sentences anyway. The AEW Act was supposed to address the rise in assaults against emergency services but the CPS and Courts often don't appear to be doing their part.
 
the shadow said:
The future :eek::eek::eek:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Shocking moment car 'full of schoolchildren' rams into brick wall

Footage captured on a nearby Ring Doorbell shows the driver of a blue BMW lose control and plough directly into a brick wall on the corner of Littlefield Road and Lamers Road in Luton.
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It's the past coming back.
the 90s were far worse if you lived in a bad area.

where my parents live still has all the signs of being a twocker heaven where all the criminals lived.


it's basically like a Y shaped narrow area about 1.5miles deep where the bottom of the Y is a dead end

The police/council did this to all the rat runs you could escape down on foot and closed off the back paths that let you enter/exit the estate without being next to the road.
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The whole of the estate is like that all the way along it, there another estate on the other side of a busy main road that's connected by one of those walk ways under the road, and it's exactly the same on that estate too
Quiet area now so it worked., but never got rid of the rep it had, and obviously when you go to look at any house their you will notice the estate has basically been turned into a prison. which I'm sure puts people off.


Seems like with how few police their are around now, it would be so easy for teens to start joy riding and losing all respect for the law.

and as someone mentioned above prisons are full so people can get a string of suspended sentences in a row and they mean nothing.
 
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Dis86 said:
Which is a side effect of short sentences
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Its really going to upset you when the evidence shows no sentence (ie. Community orders/suspended sentences) leads to lower reoffending rates than short sentences (which counterintuitively makes things worse) not increasing their length.

Dis86 said:
and soft prisons meaning there is a massive level of reoffending in this country.
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You know harsher prison environments don't lead to lower reoffending rates

I know you know harsher prison environments don't lead to lower reoffending rates

You know I know you know harsher prison environments don't lead to lower reoffending rates

But this is GD, so yea, wE nEeD hArShEr PrIsOnS, that'll sort the crims out!1!!1
 
Tefal said:
Ahh sorry no I thought you were referring to the car being stopped because it had been reported for a firearms offense the day before but it wasn't his car. I didn't know about thw previous offence as the BBC hadn't mentioned that in thier reporting. Only the car

"It later emerged that the Audi the 24-year-old was driving, which did not belong to him, had been linked by police to a firearms incident the previous day."

Typical well rounded bbc reporting

www.bbc.co.uk

Chris Kaba: Family of man shot dead by police wants charging decision

Chris Kaba's parents say one year is long enough to await a prosecution decision.
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If you read thier stories it very much is a "traffic stop gone wrong" story.

Not the reality
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Yeah that's shocking reporting by the BBC, so much for the non-bias stance they spout about.

Mr Kaba was killed after the car he was driving was followed by an unmarked police car with no lights or sirens.

He then turned into Kirkstall Gardens, a narrow residential street, where he was blocked by a marked police car, the two vehicles collided and a marksman fired one shot through the windscreen, hitting Mr Kaba in the head.

It later emerged that the Audi the 24-year-old was driving, which did not belong to him, had been linked by police to a firearms incident the previous day.
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Police don't have to have lights and sirens on when following a car, that's the point of the element of surprise.

"the two vehicles collided", unless this guy was off his head, how on earth would you collide with a car that's painted in bright yellow and blue, and will have had big flashy blue and red lights. This should have been written as "Kaba attempted to ram the marked police car to flee".

I would guarantee that they warned him to put his hands up and get out of the vehicle. If he decides to ignore that warning and faff around perhaps getting something out of the glovebox, then you're just asking to get shot.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Will be interesting to see the full details in court, the circumstances under which an armed officer in the UK is allowed to open firs are incredibly restricted, there are certainly multiple ways to read the descriptions of the incident which doesn't necessarily meet the very high threshold for use of lethal force in this country. Don't get me wrong the guy was clearly a wrongun and was breaking the law at the time but to me the description of events isn't conclusive enough for him to be shot dead and the right thing to do is to follow the process. A file of evidence has been collected and submitted to the crown prosecution service who feel the case is in the public interest and has a reasonable chance of conviction so the officer will stand trial where the prosecution will have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that his actions amounted to murder this alone would suggest to me that there is more to this than the dead man was driving his car straight at someone and if they hadn't resorted to lethal force someone else would have died.
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It seems daft to me that they're even citing a murder charge. Murder implies premeditated, it's unlikely this firearms officer would have even known who Kaba was prior to the mission briefing, so how could he have planned his murder.
 
Semple said:
It seems daft to me that they're even citing a murder charge. Murder implies premeditated, it's unlikely this firearms officer would have even known who Kaba was prior to the mission briefing, so how could he have planned his murder.
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That isn’t the threshold for pre meditation, if he intended to kill him when he pulled the trigger then it is pre meditated the issue here is was the killing lawful or not? If the jury considers the killing unlawful then it is murder if not then he walks free.
 
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Pretty confident the threat be judged as being real and immediate and lethal force was absolutely necessary, however we will see when the facts are presented.
 
Freakbro said:
Its really going to upset you when the evidence shows no sentence (ie. Community orders/suspended sentences) leads to lower reoffending rates than short sentences (which counterintuitively makes things worse) not increasing their length.



You know harsher prison environments don't lead to lower reoffending rates

I know you know harsher prison environments don't lead to lower reoffending rates

You know I know you know harsher prison environments don't lead to lower reoffending rates

But this is GD, so yea, wE nEeD hArShEr PrIsOnS, that'll sort the crims out!1!!1
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Incorrect. Longer sentences reduce recidivism. Something that has been demonstrated multiple times with only a few reports showing the opposite.
It has also been shown that short sentences may actually increase the rate of reoffending. Figures from the MoJ themselves support this.

A couple of weeks to months in a nice cozy prison isn't really a deterrent and for some is better than the life they may lead outside. We can all generally get along without seeing our friends and family for a few months. 10 years on the other hand my well be a different scenario.

Harsh prisons with good long term educational programmes are what are needed. Putting people together with similarly minded people and a ps5 doesn't solve anything.
 
or, bbc abdicate responsibility of click-bait stories when they can just report/recount them from newspapers - like Gove in telegraph legislation clamping down on marches.
should have a disclaimer Hamas is a a prescribed terrorist organisation the telegraph is right leaning tory rag
 
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