I was under the impression they were trained to shoot to kill not shoot to injure? So if he was given authorisation to take a shot it would have been to kill him.
This is why people are losing respect for the police...
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I was under the impression they were trained to shoot to kill not shoot to injure? So if he was given authorisation to take a shot it would have been to kill him.
Soldato
The officer takes the decision to open fire and it is his responsibility to only fire his weapon appropriately. The jury will decide if his decision was correct and legal how is it so hard for people to understand.
The message that sends is a can of worms.
Commissario
The training is for the centre of torso if possible, or centre of whatever they can hit if not, to reduce the chance of the shot missing and hitting someone else. It is also because the aim is to remove the threat by incapacitating the target ASAP with minimum number of rounds fired.
Usually that does unfortunately mean any shot that hits properly is likely to be a killing round, as to incapacitate someone with a gunshot you need to do enough damage to stop them pretty much instantly, and that means massive trauma and blood loss is the normal result.
Basically there is no such thing as a "shoot to injure" policy outside of TV/film*, and if the legal requirement for any shot is that it's to remove what is deemed an immediate threat to life, then you cannot muck about trying to be clever.
Where UK police differ from say US police, is that whilst both are trained for centre torso by default, UK armed police get constant training to a high level, and UK armed police are trained and legally required to give first aid as soon as possible, and carry a trauma kit designed to deal with gunshot and knife wounds whilst US police basically aren't. UK police are also trained to fire only what is needed and that every single shot must be properly aimed and accounted for, US police are pretty much trained to fire until the gun is empty and that missing isn't an issue (US police have a tendency to fire blind/without making certain of their target, or indeed that what they think is a gunshot is, or where it came from as per the acorn case or where they've fired blindly into buildings without an actual visible target).
UK police will also IIRC try to arrange to have an ambulance nearby if they can, specifically so there is expert help as close as safely possible if shots are fired, the result is that if you're shot by UK police you're unlikely to survive, but you will normally have a chance.
*IIRC Mythbusters did an episode on "shooting the gun out of someone's hand" and from memory showed even under range conditions with a stationary target and the ability to plan the shot in detail it was exceptionally hard.
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But it's the way it's worked always.
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Why are they arresting him to appease those people?
He should print off the government website page about hamas and stick it on a huge piece of cardboard
www.gov.uk
that must surely be supporters of terror, if that man offends them?
Seems we were taken over by stealth then
So they aren't protesting for Gaza are they, it's protesting for Hamas
This is why people are losing respect for the police...
Not sure they can do much else to be honest.. CPS is fundamentally looking for cases that are likely to be successfully convicted in court. If they don't believe they have enough evidence, you cannot really blame them for not taking the case. Could you imagine the uproar if CPS was found to...
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Why are they arresting him to appease those people?
He should print off the government website page about hamas and stick it on a huge piece of cardboard
Proscribed terrorist groups or organisations
soooo
that must surely be supporters of terror, if that man offends them?
Seems we were taken over by stealth then
So they aren't protesting for Gaza are they, it's protesting for Hamas
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The police would attempt to arrest any NF, BNP, or the C18 types for flying a swastika, yet apparently Hamas/Palestinian supporters can do.
Then we see a pathetic display of a police man justifying no action. The only legitimate reason not to arrest someone flying that flag in a crowd might be for safety reasons. But don't try and bullpoop the public.
Waving a swastika around on the streets of London is ok. But having a golliwog display in a pub is against the law.
The law isn't being applied equally and fairly.
Then we see a pathetic display of a police man justifying no action. The only legitimate reason not to arrest someone flying that flag in a crowd might be for safety reasons. But don't try and bullpoop the public.
Waving a swastika around on the streets of London is ok. But having a golliwog display in a pub is against the law.
The law isn't being applied equally and fairly.
Soldato
Intent at moment of pulling the trigger is not premeditation, premeditation is before hand, i.e. before the incident.
If i say i am going to kill Steve, then go to his house, then kill him, that is premeditation.
If Steve breaks into my house, and, i take out my gun, aim to kill and fire with intent to kill, this is not pre-meditation
Soldato
For a charge of murder intent to kill is sufficient.
Soldato
The latest "The Met Police are out of touch" clip is of an Officer at a Pro-Palestine march telling a Jewish person who reported that people were using Swastikas that these "need to be taken in context" as they aren't necessarily anti-Semitic -
The Telegraph -
www.telegraph.co.uk
David Lammy, who I disagree with on many things, had a section on LBC ripping apart the actions of that Officer Police for this and I'm fully behind him on this -
www.lbc.co.uk
Now for accuracy this was just a small segment of a 10 min conversation and the Met released this statement -
As an aside, I'm also always amazed at how physically unimposing so many modern Officers are, he's hardly scaring any criminals there whilst he's more interested in his coffee, but that doesn't seem to be what they're there for anymore I suppose, I wonder if he's usually in an office role but brought out to support the policing of the protests?
The Telegraph -
Watch: Swastikas ‘need to be taken in context’, Met officer tells Jewish woman
Anti-Semitism campaigners ‘gobsmacked’ by reaction of police to Nazi sign displayed during pro-Palestinian march
www.telegraph.co.uk
David Lammy, who I disagree with on many things, had a section on LBC ripping apart the actions of that Officer Police for this and I'm fully behind him on this -
'It's not about context, it’s about anti-Semitism': David Lammy says police should have known swastika is hate symbol
David Lammy has said that police should have known that a swastika is a hate symbol, irrespective of its context, after a row erupted on a pro-Palestine march in London.
www.lbc.co.uk
Now for accuracy this was just a small segment of a 10 min conversation and the Met released this statement -
Met Police said:
As an aside, I'm also always amazed at how physically unimposing so many modern Officers are, he's hardly scaring any criminals there whilst he's more interested in his coffee, but that doesn't seem to be what they're there for anymore I suppose, I wonder if he's usually in an office role but brought out to support the policing of the protests?
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They are there for
The police are in danger of losing the respect of the public.
Well thats what happens when you fire all the support staff.The latest "The Met Police are out of touch" clip is of an Officer at a Pro-Palestine march telling a Jewish person who reported that people were using Swastikas that these "need to be taken in context" as they aren't necessarily anti-Semitic -
The Telegraph -
Watch: Swastikas ‘need to be taken in context’, Met officer tells Jewish woman
Anti-Semitism campaigners ‘gobsmacked’ by reaction of police to Nazi sign displayed during pro-Palestinian march
David Lammy, who I disagree with on many things, had a section on LBC ripping apart the actions of that Officer Police for this and I'm fully behind him on this -
'It's not about context, it’s about anti-Semitism': David Lammy says police should have known swastika is hate symbol
David Lammy has said that police should have known that a swastika is a hate symbol, irrespective of its context, after a row erupted on a pro-Palestine march in London.
Now for accuracy this was just a small segment of a 10 min conversation and the Met released this statement -
As an aside, I'm also always amazed at how physically unimposing so many modern Officers are, he's hardly scaring any criminals there whilst he's more interested in his coffee, but that doesn't seem to be what they're there for anymore I suppose, I wonder if he's usually in an office role but brought out to support the policing of the protests?
Don
Pretty sure they’ve loosened height and fitness requirements for officers haven’t they? Whilst a lot of it was under the guise of DEI they probably needed to to maintain recruitment.
I've been watching the first episode of this video showing the work of the police conduct group that investigate incidents and complaints (the video has 3 episodes).
youtu.be
I can't get over how a jury found the officer not guilty of having sex with that woman, when he admitted to having sex with her, having injected himself into a situation were he was taking her home. He tried to say he had ptsd from previous cases and the woman in the passenger seat forcibly climbed on him while he was in the drivers seat.... After he'd parked in a dark off road.
I'd say that is likely a lie. Anyone who as done that position knows it's awkward even when 2 people want to do it. Also why would she complain about it if that's what she wanted!? It doesn't make sense. It's more likely he succumbed to whatever urges he had, maybe from his ptsd earlier. He ended up being found not guilty in a criminal court and retired before the police before the misconduct case could hold him to account.
On the cases with the 2 vulnerable people. The attitude and lack of empathy shown was outrageous. The excuses used is they had become desensitised and said comments they shouldn't have. If they lack empathy for people resign from the police. In the end their punishment was to get a talking to from the line manager.
I think they need to remove the degree requirement from joining the police, and encourage ex military to join. Because I don't think the police in these cases have had enough life experience to deal with socially hostile situations.
Police Officers Exposed For Assaulting Members Of British Public | To Catch A Copper | Channel 4
With strong language, discussions around mental health, sexual assault and suicide as well as scenes of violence that some viewers may find upsetting.Jaw-dro...
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I can't get over how a jury found the officer not guilty of having sex with that woman, when he admitted to having sex with her, having injected himself into a situation were he was taking her home. He tried to say he had ptsd from previous cases and the woman in the passenger seat forcibly climbed on him while he was in the drivers seat.... After he'd parked in a dark off road.
I'd say that is likely a lie. Anyone who as done that position knows it's awkward even when 2 people want to do it. Also why would she complain about it if that's what she wanted!? It doesn't make sense. It's more likely he succumbed to whatever urges he had, maybe from his ptsd earlier. He ended up being found not guilty in a criminal court and retired before the police before the misconduct case could hold him to account.
On the cases with the 2 vulnerable people. The attitude and lack of empathy shown was outrageous. The excuses used is they had become desensitised and said comments they shouldn't have. If they lack empathy for people resign from the police. In the end their punishment was to get a talking to from the line manager.
I think they need to remove the degree requirement from joining the police, and encourage ex military to join. Because I don't think the police in these cases have had enough life experience to deal with socially hostile situations.
Soldato
They've always protected their own.
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Moment police arrest woman after 'Miss Mizzy' was caught going round London punching strangers
This is why we need to allow the police to start knocking the kids about again.
This is why we need to allow the police to start knocking the kids about again.
I live on Teesside which is experiencing what seems to be a surge of violent crimes. Seems like every other day someones stabbed or their using firearms. Seems to be a huge cocaine problem and not just the youngsters using it.
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Soldato
And MP's