This is why people are losing respect for the police...

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special take ? why would you refute that this is worse than GF or, indeed, why they aren't being accused murder #1, the final aggression had a had a time for reflection by the officers
(turning off bodycams too?)


(this and the other thread - one upmanship on the phrases used to express indignation - social media influence, at it's best)
 
I think the big problem started when we started to grade officers based on performance - arrests made. This happened, oh, many years ago now. Since then, it seems that the average officer will do his or her absolute best to arrest someone, even if it is clearly inappropriate.
I remember an incident when a cyclist ended up in the road flat on his backside and insisted the police be called. The police arrested the cyclist when it was pretty obvious that he just needed a warning not to be an idiot.
 
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randomshenans said:
*googles how to become drugs kingpin*
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Funnily enough, I knew a drugs kingpin once. The reason I knew him was through association with a girl friend (I should say acquaintance since I really wouldn't call her a friend) who failed to pay him for his "services" (being, no doubt, some drugs). Nice chap - he broke both her legs for not paying.
 
the shadow said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Huntington Park cops shoot dead double amputee Anthony Lowe Jr

WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT: Anthony Lowe Jr. was holding a large knife which the cops said he was threatening to 'throw at them.' There were three officers who shot him multiple times.
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I mean, he clearly was threatening them with that knife but there was no real danger to them if they were sensible. This is where the biggest differences between the UK and US policing sit. When someone is clearly a threat but not a big one. UK would surround and taser if needs be. US just shoots him.
 
fez said:
I mean, he clearly was threatening them with that knife but there was no real danger to them if they were sensible. This is where the biggest differences between the UK and US policing sit. When someone is clearly a threat but not a big one. UK would surround and taser if needs be. US just shoots him.
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The police were after him as he apparently had just stabbed someone. He could have thrown the knife at them, the police did have tasers, but I can only presume they didn't work (common problem), they gave him a chance to surrender, he declined and sealed his fate.

Body camera will provide better footage when it comes out.

Of course everyone is outraged this man was shot, but the person he stabbed in critical condition? Barely a mention.
 
Longbow said:
The police were after him as he apparently had just stabbed someone. He could have thrown the knife at them, the police did have tasers, but I can only presume they didn't work (common problem), they gave him a chance to surrender, he declined and sealed his fate.

Body camera will provide better footage when it comes out.

Of course everyone is outraged this man was shot, but the person he stabbed in critical condition? Barely a mention.
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The issue is that the police are not there to mete out justice. Is the man mentally ill? I assume so? Killing him is not their job. If this was the UK they wouldn't walk up to the guy they would keep their distance, try and taser him, wait for backup. Basically do everything not to have to kill him. This is the issue.

Personally I think that up to a point the US gets the police it deserves for giving everyone access to guns. I really struggle with too much sympathy when hundreds of children die from shootings and they still do **** all to fix the problem.
 
fez said:
The issue is that the police are not there to mete out justice. Is the man mentally ill? I assume so? Killing him is not their job. If this was the UK they wouldn't walk up to the guy they would keep their distance, try and taser him, wait for backup. Basically do everything not to have to kill him. This is the issue.

Personally I think that up to a point the US gets the police it deserves for giving everyone access to guns. I really struggle with too much sympathy when hundreds of children die from shootings and they still do **** all to fix the problem.
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It's not about justice, it's about dealing with the threat. The suspect being mentally ill is irrelevant, a threat is a threat. He had a deadly weapon, they had information that he had used that weapon to stab someone, the police are only going to risk so much, they want to go home alive at the end of the day after all.

Hundreds of police officers die in the line of duty in the U.S, in the U.K it's pretty much zero. It's a vastly different and more dangerous job in the U.S, and that's reflected in the manner in which they deal with situation.
 
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