Soldato
Ah, sorry, I may have mis-interpreted your post as disagreeing that it should be part of their job
This is why people are losing respect for the police...
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Ah, sorry, I may have mis-interpreted your post as disagreeing that it should be part of their job
24 years since the last damning report and nothing has changed. I don't think sitting back and passively waiting for things to improve is working, do you?
This. Problem is that many got through the net and its showing now.
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There are more women in the police now, so wouldn't you expect the issue to naturally improve as the male/female balance equalises towards 50/50?
Right, but just working on the dilution due to there being less men doesnt tackle the culture that seems to be prevalent within the men who are there.
The point is to stop it occurring as much as possible in the first place. There's obviously a culture of turning a blind eye and not holding officers to account for their behaviour, that's what has to change.
You can't stop individuals being racist, or misogynistic but you can stop them acting openly like that within the workforce.
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I agree there is work to do in the police, the report is pretty damming.
But some of the stuff mentioned is common in male dominated professions. I knew a couple in the military and some of their stories are similar. I don't know if it's better now there are more women in the military, but I imagine still common in places.
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Well, there are wronguns everywhere, they just aren't tolerated ....the problem is that the wronguns in the Met join and see that it's a boy's club where open bigotry is tolerated so they get to act it out.
Problem has always been that the system protects the "few bad apples".
But it is not really as "few" as people try to make out. Why wouldn't cops be as representative as the general population? Why can't 52% of them be ignorant, stupid or bigoted?
the actual report V
the data still doesn't show that sexism in Met is significantly different to other workplaces - Casey is myopic, & doesn't discuss that
the discussion on Met rape cases in the casey report looks like underfunding - we get what we pay for.
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If you heard Sadiq squirming around on r4 today as he was accused of being part of the problem where he had not ensured reform,
all he could put up in his defence was that Casey said he should now contribute in managing reform -
the data still doesn't show that sexism in Met is significantly different to other workplaces - Casey is myopic, & doesn't discuss that
the discussion on Met rape cases in the casey report looks like underfunding - we get what we pay for.
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If you heard Sadiq squirming around on r4 today as he was accused of being part of the problem where he had not ensured reform,
all he could put up in his defence was that Casey said he should now contribute in managing reform -
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I'm seeing a lot of nerdy looking men on twitter complaining about the met being racist and all that. Why don't these types apply to be policemen then, that would solve the issues right?
The problem is, the people that want to be policeman are probably going to be a bit rough round the edges generally speaking. I do not see that changing, its embedded in human nature.
The problem is, the people that want to be policeman are probably going to be a bit rough round the edges generally speaking. I do not see that changing, its embedded in human nature.
Thoroughly believe that enforcers of law should be given maximum sentences for any crime they commit simply due to the damage to public trust and likely increase in crime they cause among their criminal comrades far outweighing their individual act. If we continue down this road then people will just handle stuff on their own, ragtag militias will pop up and the police will fully develop into a wealthy protection force with infinite powers.
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What the actual?!
from case examples from 14 interviews , with no dates attached , salaciously distributed on twitter
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also in report
casey conclusions are very subjective, it's become like the Crucible, they're
I don’t really believe in that as a concept.
The idea that you can make an organisation less sexiest by employing less men. Or less racist by employing less white people.
The way you improve things is to ensure people are treated equally on the basis of individual ability and merit. Not employed because of their gender/ethnicity/etc to meet an equity quota.
To actively discriminate against groups of people in order to “make them equal” and expect that alone to make things somehow better is nonsense.
What makes an organisation systemically and institutionally racist, sexiest and homophobic?
By the criteria that the police have been judged by would any company not be considered racist, sexiest and homophobic?
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Its amazing how many people take this sort of nonsense at face value.
The Met employs around 43,000 people
Over 30 % of the police officers are female and the proportion for police staff will be much higher. So somewhere around 15,000+ plus female staff
Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about these sort of polls know that there will be a self selecting bias in those that respond to them and that the average staff member will be more likely to respond if they will be saying they do think there is an issue than if there isn't.
Also what this nonsense....
What sort of idiot thinks its a good idea to try and have 50% of police officer being female?
Around 85% of people arrested in the UK are male
Regardless of what some people think there are significant strength and agility differences between men and women. Que the usual nonsense about some mem being faster and stronger than some men.....
Which is true but guess what they should not be employing weak slow men either!
And nothing I have typed should be read to mean that women should not be allowed to join the police, enter some roles or that there should be a lower than 50% 'quota' for them to join the police or be in roles.
Only that its nonsense to have a target for 50% women when the violent stuff the police have to deal with overwhelmingly involves males and that this means that a police force artifically carrying more female officers will more often lack suitable officers to respond to one of their core problems. The police as a whole and individual units should set a physical standard (which should be the same for any applicant) for entry and any candidate that can meet that criteria should be eligible to apply.
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Whilst it is quite amazing that the officers wasn't sacked it's not all apparent that this can be attributed to a 'boys club sort of sexism' in the police
Met Police officer caught publicly masturbating twice on a train still in the force
An LBC investigation can reveal that a male police officer, who was caught publicly masturbating twice on a train, is still serving in the Metropolitan Police.
www.lbc.co.uk
What is rarely mentioned in the recent stories about police officers especially the bad ones and recruitment problems is the role the central government has played in causing issues with perverse incentives.
Basically after years of cutting funding it became politically expedient to boost the number of police officers serving. So police forces were given some extra funding but crucially this was tied to them having to recruit and retain 'X' amount of police officers.
So if a force can't hit its recruitment and retention targets it loses money. Which has turned UK policing into a game of police forces trying to poach from one another and transferees like Wayne Couzens being rushed from not really public facing roles in places like the CNC into the Met with little vetting because he was particularly valuable as an officer already trained to use firearms.
So I would suspect a considerable part of the reason the masturbating PC wasn't sacked had nothing to do 'institutional' biases but rather a more prosaic practical approach that went along the lines of whether it was in the best interests of a police force to lose yet another officer (and the money the force would have received for him) at a time when policing in general has become a profession people are leaving from in droves.
Number of police officers resigning early nearly TREBLES in a decade
Ten years ago, the number of voluntary resignations was 1,158. In 2022, the figure had risen to 3,433, threatening to undercut Boris Johnson's 2019 manifesto pledge of 10,000 extra officers.
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The threat of and use of organised violence is very much a core part of policing.
Maybe we would not be in such a mess if people understood this? The UK police are internationally quite unusual in as much as they don't carry firearms routinely.
None the less they do carry batons, incapacitant sprays and often tasers.... all weapons that would see any other member of the public arrested not only for possession in the street but also in at least two cases for possession within a home.
The Police a Criminal Evidence Act of 1984 gives police sweeping powers to use force (violence) in a whole host of circumstances not applicable to other professions
Ironic that the press didn't follow it to the police tribunal hearing at the time, but, social media hadn't wound up temporal public interest, with associated advertising revenue then
change of language used in original report is hmmh interesting - wasn't turned up to 11 - maybe daily mail moved to the right since then
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cer-faces-sack-caught-pleasuring-himself.html
agree - those are further items about the report that discredit it - but no one can call it out publically - excepting - well Rowley, who rejected the Institutional crown of thorns.
Watch off-duty captain plea: 'Turn the camera off'
An Oklahoma City police captain makes the request after being pulled over by a colleague.
www.bbc.co.uk
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