Tired of Panel Lottery, suggestions

IvanDobskey said:
I reckon the ips panels are just more sensitive to the pressure placed on them by the bezels.

People have had some success reducing backlight bleed by loosening screws to reduce the pressure on the panel.

Not that I'd recommend taking an expensive monitor apart :p
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The official explanation is:

What causes Backlight Bleeding?
IPS monitors consist of multiple layers that are meticulously superimposed at different angles. Slight deviations in the layering can cause pressure inside the display that can slightly displace the liquid crystals. As a result, more light can penetrate in some places than in others. The resulting light areas are what is referred to as backlight bleeding.
Acer is committed to high quality standards in the production of products, and develops technologies that minimize these impacts on users. Unfortunately at this time, it is not technically possible to exclude bleeding one hundred percent.
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https://us.answers.acer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/48223/~/ips-bleeding-explained

With this quality control by the manufacturers and still producing low resolution, expensive monitors, this mostly turns out to be money thrown to the wind.
 
Got an AOC 165hz/1440p panel delivered today. It's got horrific back light bleed, so much so that i notice it in the daylight with curtains half drawn. There's also yellowing in patches and inconsistent colour throughout.

I have been following the forums here lately looking at the threads and thought I would try my luck, albeit its only my first try but I think it may be worth steering clear of these panels. Hell, my 4 year old Acer IPS 1080p panel actually has none of these flaws and looks much better on image/colour consistency.

Do any of these panels come with a gloss/glass coating? I really hate the grainy look of the matt coating they apply.
 
Skellz said:
Got an AOC 165hz/1440p panel delivered today. It's got horrific back light bleed, so much so that i notice it in the daylight with curtains half drawn. There's also yellowing in patches and inconsistent colour throughout.

I have been following the forums here lately looking at the threads and thought I would try my luck, albeit its only my first try but I think it may be worth steering clear of these panels. Hell, my 4 year old Acer IPS 1080p panel actually has none of these flaws and looks much better on image/colour consistency.

Do any of these panels come with a gloss/glass coating? I really hate the grainy look of the matt coating they apply.
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Sorry to hear you got a bad one. I take it that's an ips panel?

You can keep playing the ips wheel of fortune and send it back until you get a lucky roll of the dice or send it back for a refund and get a VA panel model instead.

I think most have a coating to stop them being too reflective. You want to see what's on the screen, not yourself reflected back at you :p
 
Yes it was the IPS variant, I might just have to hold out for OLED.

I prefer the reflective coating as i find it gives a crisper image, plus there's no need for a mirror :D
 
Skellz said:
Yes it was the IPS variant, I might just have to hold out for OLED.

I prefer the reflective coating as i find it gives a crisper image, plus there's no need for a mirror :D
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I can't see oled as viable for desktop use unfortunately :( Icon / taskbar burn in would be a massive problem.

A monitor with gloss coating could double as a rather expensive shaving mirror :D

This isn't such an issue if you use your screen in the dark with no light sources behind you.

Most seem to have this coating now though. Although the aggressiveness of the coating does tend to vary.

Hope you get your screen changed for a decent one.
 
Skellz said:
Yes it was the IPS variant, I might just have to hold out for OLED.

I prefer the reflective coating as i find it gives a crisper image, plus there's no need for a mirror :D
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Panasonic with their TV series offer the best overall screens. If they were smaller, they would fit perfectly for PC monitors too.
IPS and TN are bad, but VA is ok.
 
chroniclard said:
Solution, dont play in the dark, bad for your eyes anyway. :p
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I have an AOC i2369Vm (IPS) and it's bad not only because there isn't black but dark grays instead, but also because if you go slightly to the left or right in front of the screen, it loses its proper colours. It's behaving as bad as TN.
The Panasonic TVs never behave like that.
 
IvanDobskey said:
I'd never have another ips panel. Backlight bleed and glow are a huge no no for me.

Perfectly happy with my new VA monitor though.
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I would have considered a VA panel at 4k and 32", for the reasons you have mentioned and also for the lovely black depths. But at that spec there seems to be only the Benq I bought (IPS with a AMVA subset type) and then with a VA panel a Samsung one but is noted to have only 250cd/m2 for brightness, someone noting that it only seems good in a dark room.

The only concern that I had for a VA panel is colour uniformity and drop off in the peripheral areas of colour compared to an IPS. Also colours had to be pretty sport on for photos work. Perhaps a monitor with a curve could have helped with that issue of colour drop etc but they aren't around in my chosen size and being 4k.
 
Very impressed with the colours on my Samsung VA panel. That was something I was a bit worried about when I bought it, but maybe the quantum dot backlight helps with this.

There are certain scenarios where you see a bit of motion blur, but it's rare and minimal.

I can put up with that for the massively superior blacks and lack of glow and bleed.

As a big player of elite dangerous, the pros sure do outweigh the cons.
 
IvanDobskey said:
To be honest, I have never seen or used a monitor running gsync or freesync so I can't really comment.

I never really notice tearing so I guess it wouldn't make much difference to me. But I know some people swear by it.

The 100hz is nice though.
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Thanks for the response. Food for thought.
 
Agreed with @IvanDobskey 's assessment of VA. My HP Omen 32 really does have very black blacks - with the caveat that it suffers black crush below #040404. Which to be fair, is pretty damn dark and sensible games don't put details down in this range because a lot of cheap monitors have issues with it.

It's not flawless, there are some very, very subtle traces of darker vertical bands, but on the whole they don't stand out and it's far better than having BLB.

Wish they still made s-PVA screens. Got an old Dell from '07 and it's still perfect - but the CCFL backlight gets so hot that it makes the room uncomfortable in warm weather :(
 
eddiew said:
Agreed with @IvanDobskey 's assessment of VA. My HP Omen 32 really does have very black blacks - with the caveat that it suffers black crush below #040404. Which to be fair, is pretty damn dark and sensible games don't put details down in this range because a lot of cheap monitors have issues with it.

It's not flawless, there are some very, very subtle traces of darker vertical bands, but on the whole they don't stand out and it's far better than having BLB.

Wish they still made s-PVA screens. Got an old Dell from '07 and it's still perfect - but the CCFL backlight gets so hot that it makes the room uncomfortable in warm weather :(
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I was going to go with one of those new 27"Acer/ASUS IPS 4K HDR screens next year, but will give it a miss now as I really can't stand the glow/bleed on IPS. Was playing Resident Evil 7 the other day and at best the blacks looked like dark grey. Makes games like that look pretty terrible; had the same thing with Alien Isolation.

Will just have to wait for an equivalent screen that uses VA as not interested in the super wide ones as want to get a high PPI :)
 
Ah, yeah, we do seem to be lacking high resolution VA displays at the mo @EvilSooty ... Personally I'm fine with this, because I don't want to have to pay for the hardware to drive 4k and I'm fine with 90-100 ppi, but I can certainly see why other people feel differently. Hopefully we'll get some nice 27-32" 4k VA options in the near future :)
 
So got the monitor you really have to dial down the sharpness, why Samsung raised it so high is beyond me. Im pretty sure the panel in this is the same as the Dell UP2716D. With the response time turned to fastest there is a terrible amount of ghosting so faster seems to be the sweet spot, factory calibration is pretty good honestly. I doubt the accuracy of 4ms g2g due to ghosting tho. Still its a beautiful panel but my god the bleed in the bottom right side is irritating and my favourite genre is horror games https://imgur.com/b1Sl6uC
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IvanDobskey said:
Looks like a typical ips panel to me. They really do suffer with glow and bleed :(
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Not sure why but the 32" BenQ 4k IPS seemed to get worse with its bleed in the top left of the monitor. It got to the point of being very noticeable in most situations, very bad in games like NMS, the space parts were the worse. It was like a silver cloud for about 3"/4" down and across. It was not glow as it did not change when you altered your viewing angle. The other three corners had some glow (orange in colour), but that is kinda typical. With that, and also the screen glitching (known issue) several times a day it has gone back for a refund.

The 27" Benq 1440p IPS I am using does not have the lovely contrast and blacks of a VA panel, it also is IPS, but it has no bleed and no noticeable glow.

I'm a little put off for now with the thought of changing monitors, I sort of wish they did a 32" 4k VA panel, but even with a Ti1080 I did begin to wonder if 4k might only come into its own with decent Frame rates with Volta or perhaps Volta+1.

I know that the Samsung screen you have is a damn good one, just wish that I felt different about 21:9 and also about how it looks visually, being white.
 
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