Titanic submersible confirmed destroyed with loss of all five souls onboard.

Hades · 22 Jun 2023 at 13:54

Priapus said:
I don't stay in the UK; (yet)

I'd recommend staying away. The place has turned into a disaster.

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 22 Jun 2023 at 13:55

Werewolf said:
Both the subs and the support vessels tend to be quite major capitol investments, especially for something capable of working at this depth, as I think was said in one of the other posts the US rescue sub requires a crane that can be moved to any suitably large ship but is in itself a major operation to both get it to the ship it's to be used on, and then fix it in place as it takes a day or so to weld it fully to a suitably strong deck so it doesn't go over whilst lifting the rescue sub.
Oceanic research is not particularly sexy, and until relatively recently most countries have under funded anything to do with it, most of the money spent on it has been to do things like assist in working on oil rigs, or dealing with relatively close to shore/low depth stuff, it's only the last decade or two that an interest in what's on the sea floor at depth has really started to take off and result in more craft being available, and most of that is down to the realisation that there are resources down there that might possibly be exploited and working out how to do it in a way that is financially viable.

Basically because we don't actually do much at those depths there isn't much of anything available and most countries might only have at most one or two, I think even the British Navy only has something like one maybe two "rescue" subs that can go to a few hundred meters to give some chance if one of our attack or missile subs gets stuck, and the only real reason we have those rescue subs is because it's (quite rightly) seen as the duty of the navy to at least attempt a rescue in the event of that sort of accident, and they're relatively "cheap" compared to the price of a nuclear missile sub (the cynic in me says there may be an element of thinking if one got stuck a "rescue" sub might be able to transport something that could help it surface).

Not sure what the ratios are but a military nuclear sub unless its suffered a catastrophic failure will basically be able to stay sitting on say the sea bed for as long as the food lasts out (within reason)
Rescue in those circumstances would be considerably different I guess.

Priapus said:
Did that actually happen?

PS: I don't stay in the UK; (yet) so unaware of a lot of local things.

Indeed it did yes.

People breaking into at least one property, climbing over fences etc

bigmike20vt · 22 Jun 2023 at 13:56

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Its the equivalent of the tik tok lot rushing to get to Nicola Bulleys death site as they think they can solve the crime the police can't.

to be fair................ when it came to the search the official search team did make a proper pigs ear of it. You can understand why perhaps people lost faith in them.

Priapus · 22 Jun 2023 at 13:56

Hades said:
I'd recommend staying away. The place has turned into a disaster.

It's not so bad; I visit once a year. Moving back because all my family are there and our son needs to grow up around them.
Also.. come stay here for a bit and you'll know what a failed state is really like.

- No functioning education system
- No functioning police
- No functioning basic services
- Power outages every day - up to 10 hours.
- Highest unemployment in the world
- Very high crime and violent crime.
.. the list goes on..

.. guess the country.

UK is paradise in comparison.

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 22 Jun 2023 at 13:58

bigmike20vt said:
to be fair................ the official search team did make a proper pigs ear of it.

I dunno, many people at the time were saying its not easy. It was really just that one "expert" who seemed to vastly overplay his own skills.

I was really referring to the on shore stuff that was going on, rather than the river part.

Minusorange · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:03

mysticsniper said:
Because British company Magellan are considered the subject matter experts when it comes to the area around the Titanic.

Looks like their services offered would have been perfect for this operation:

Full ocean depth MBES - multibeam sonar at depths upto 6000M
Side scan sonar
Sub-bottom profiling

Magellan's Juliet sub is on the way, left Jersey airport this morning on a C17, too late for survivors but it may be able to locate the missing sub

Tombstone · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:04

Priapus said:
It's not so bad; I visit once a year. Moving back because all my family are there and our son needs to grow up around them.
Also.. come stay here for a bit and you'll know what a failed state is really like.

- No functioning education system
- No functioning police
- No functioning basic services
- Power outages every day - up to 10 hours.
- Highest unemployment in the world
- Very high crime and violent crime.
.. the list goes on..

.. guess the country.

UK is paradise in comparison.

Ooh ooh ! I like quizzes... I'll say, South Africa or Nigeria. Definitely somewhere in Africa. Hmm.. or maybe even Brazil actually considering their crime rate and population. Nope, I'll go with my first guess, South Africa

RevBillyG · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:05

Priapus said:
It's not so bad; I visit once a year. Moving back because all my family are there and our son needs to grow up around them.
Also.. come stay here for a bit and you'll know what a failed state is really like.

- No functioning education system
- No functioning police
- No functioning basic services
- Power outages every day - up to 10 hours.
- Highest unemployment in the world
- Very high crime and violent crime.
.. the list goes on..

.. guess the country.

UK is paradise in comparison.

SA?

Ayahuasca · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:07

Not exactly difficult to work out, google country with highest unemployment in the world and it's the first result

so unless the statement wasn't factual it's a given.

Priapus · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:09

RevBillyG said:
SA?

Ayahuasca said:
Not exactly difficult to work out, google country with highest unemployment in the world and it's the first result so unless the statement wasn't factual it's a given.

Indeed. Could have also google country with lack of power. It's a **** show.

Glad to be leaving next year.

BUDFORCE · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:09

Priapus said:
It's not so bad; I visit once a year. Moving back because all my family are there and our son needs to grow up around them.
Also.. come stay here for a bit and you'll know what a failed state is really like.

- No functioning education system
- No functioning police
- No functioning basic services
- Power outages every day - up to 10 hours.
- Highest unemployment in the world
- Very high crime and violent crime.
.. the list goes on..

.. guess the country.

UK is paradise in comparison.

South Africa?

BUDFORCE · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:10

Glad the UK is considered better than South Africa, what a benchmark to be proud of.........

Priapus · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:13

BUDFORCE said:
Glad the UK is considered better than South Africa, what a benchmark to be proud of.........

Well, I'd say all of Europe, the USA, Australia, Spain and many other places are better than South Africa.

We don't even walk after dark, because it's too dangerous - or drive with windows open. Most places have 6ft walls, electric fencing, private security. etc.

No place on Earth is perfect; but some are just proper ****holes.

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:14

Priapus said:
It's not so bad; I visit once a year. Moving back because all my family are there and our son needs to grow up around them.
Also.. come stay here for a bit and you'll know what a failed state is really like.

- No functioning education system
- No functioning police
- No functioning basic services
- Power outages every day - up to 10 hours.
- Highest unemployment in the world
- Very high crime and violent crime.
.. the list goes on..

.. guess the country.

UK is paradise in comparison.

Sounds like republican parts of the US

BUDFORCE · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:14

Priapus said:
We don't even walk after dark, because it's too dangerous - or drive with windows open. Most places have 6ft walls, electric fencing, private security. etc.

No place on Earth is perfect; but some are just proper shitholes.

Oh you've been to Birmingham then?

Priapus · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:15

BUDFORCE said:
Oh you've been to Birmingham then?

I'm told to avoid it at all costs.

RevBillyG · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:15

Most of my wife's family are still there, although a lot of the younger generation are trying to get out.
Lovely place to visit (for the countryside and nature, I've been twice) but you wouldn't want to live there.

Priapus · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:15

Anyway.. back to the recover...I mean rescue mission of that sub.

joey1211 · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:16

Ayahuasca said:
What about everything leading up to that? The smell in there will be vile: ****, **** and vomit, plus they'll start hallucinating and having delusions once the oxygen level is low.

I'd add sobbing and panic attacks to that mix. Dire.

Priapus · 22 Jun 2023 at 14:16

RevBillyG said:
Most of my wife's family are still there, although a lot of the younger generation are trying to get out.
Lovely place to visit (for the countryside and nature, I've been twice) but you wouldn't want to live there.

Most people who come to SA go to Cape Town. Because literally the rest of it is a **** show (Except for Kruger park, which is amazing)