Today's mass shooting in the US

Roar87 said:
Knives are more lethal than something like a hand gun, if someone is up close stabbing you they'll be able to stab you in quick succession and do massive damage. If you get shot by something like a 9mm and it doesn't hit something major then you're probably able to survive and get away. Obviously this changes when you have a high powered semi automatic rifle. For comparison 10% of Police officers who get shot die, 30% who get stabbed die.
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Knives are more dangerous than handguns, you heard it here first.
 
Roar87 said:
Knives are more lethal than something like a hand gun, if someone is up close stabbing you they'll be able to stab you in quick succession and do massive damage. If you get shot by something like a 9mm and it doesn't hit something major then you're probably able to survive and get away. Obviously this changes when you have a high powered semi automatic rifle. For comparison 10% of Police officers who get shot die, 30% who get stabbed die.
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What about a desert eagle .50?
 
There have been as much days in a year that there have been mass shootings in the US, how many "mass stabbings" have there been in the UK?

There's been one mass shooting since the 90s, ONE. Other massacres have been combined (with vehicle) or bombings. You can run away from a knife, not so easy from a bullet going at mach 1+.

Think that covers this ****** argument about knives.
 
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StriderX said:
There have been as much days in a year that there have been mass shootings in the US, how many "mass stabbings" have there been in the UK?

There's been one mass shooting since the 90s, ONE. Other massacres have been combined (with vehicle) or bombings. You can run away from a knife, not so easy from a bullet going at mach 1+.

Think that covers this ****** argument about knives.
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What about all the drive-by stabbings?
 
VincentHanna said:
Knives are more dangerous than handguns, you heard it here first.
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Lethal.

McGraw said:
What about a desert eagle .50?
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If it doesn't shoot you can always hit him with it

StriderX said:
There have been as much days in a year that there have been mass shootings in the US, how many "mass stabbings" have there been in the UK?

There's been one mass shooting since the 90s, ONE. Other massacres have been combined (with vehicle) or bombings. You can run away from a knife, not so easy from a bullet going at mach 1+.

Think that covers this ****** argument about knives.
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Try and read the posts. I was addressing the guy who stated that he'd rather get stabbed than shot. This is stupid because you are more likely to die if you get stabbed by someone who has the intention to kill you than if you get shot. The damage a knife can inflict is crazy. Again, this changes with high powered high calibre rifles. Why have you brought up mass shootings and America when I said nothing of the sort?
 
stockhausen said:
I can applaud your admirable, unwavering support of Yaxley-Lennon's famous campaign for gay rights but it does worry me that you are so enamoured of hand-guns; surely the two don't exactly go hand-in-hand?
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Oh hey man, still waiting for your response in the other thread, take your time.
 
It takes a lot of physical strength and an extra degree of being a psycho to go on a stabbing spree.

It takes much less effort to fire 30 shots, 6 times, from a high capacity rifle.

I hate this gun knife comparison. It's just fake news to deflect the issue.

You could go on a fork killing spree if you were so inclined.....
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
All of which is irrelevant if someone decides to break the law and murder someone. Do you think the truck rampage terrorists care about training, licenses and insurance LOL? Murder is illegal, the legal system in the US is far harsher than ours, it's no deterrent at all to criminals, nor would any gun regulation be. What is so difficult to understand here? What regulation would you suggest they could implement that would have any impact at all on homicides that they haven't already. 200 odd million legal gun owners and a fraction of a percentage who break the law with them, should we ban vehicles because some people drive without a license and insurance? PC culture doesn't allow America to get a grip on homicide rates in the same way as knife crime isn't addressed in London. People want to blame the government and strip every single freedom for everyone else rather than make criminals take personal responsibility, its pathetic.

You have also ignored that the states/cities with the toughest of gun laws (hows Chicago doing?), have pretty much the highest gun crime and homicide rates, so yeah that's really working well isn't it, who would have thought that criminals don't give a toss about regulations! Idiotic.
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However a lot harder to acquire a firearm legally or illegally with proper regulation in place - in that context in the UK for instance it is far easier for someone intent on no good to get behind the wheel of a vehicle.

As has been pointed out before the problem with the likes of Chicago is someone can travel ~30 miles to a state with different laws and back and no control of the flow of weapons over state lines.

StriderX said:
There have been as much days in a year that there have been mass shootings in the US, how many "mass stabbings" have there been in the UK?

There's been one mass shooting since the 90s, ONE. Other massacres have been combined (with vehicle) or bombings. You can run away from a knife, not so easy from a bullet going at mach 1+.

Think that covers this ****** argument about knives.
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Albeit drugs related there was a mass stabbing in the town I used to live in a few months back - 6 injured 2 seriously. It isn't so easy to run away if you don't have an exit route and/or not aware in time. Again drugs related but back in the 90s in the same town there were several stabbings in nightclubs in one case 5 people seriously injured IIRC.
 
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Efour said:
It takes a lot of physical strength and an extra degree of being a psycho to go on a stabbing spree.

It takes much less effort to fire 30 shots, 6 times, from a high capacity rifle.

I hate this gun knife comparison. It's just fake news to deflect the issue.

You could go on a fork killing spree if you were so inclined.....
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No one has mentioned going on a mass killing spree with a knife, you are more likely to die if you get stabbed by someone than if someone is shooting at you from 25 yards with most hand guns, that's all. Nothing to do with mass shootings. This is based on injuries suffered by Police in America and in direct response to someone suggesting they'd rather take on a knife attacker when you are 3 times as likely to die when stabbed than shot.

Yes for a mass killing you'd choose a semi automatic high powered rifle like an AR-15
 
Police wear armor for the most part, so it's no surprise that bullets are killing them less than a knife which if you're going up against an officer (you probably feel you have no choice but to kill), you're going for the fleshy unprotected parts.

Stats are cool and all, but so is context.
 
stockhausen said:
The idea that every citizen in the United States should have the right to keep and bear arms is as outdated as the long since repealed law that required every every male in England between the ages of ten and eighteen years old to meet on a Sunday morning on the village green in order to practice archery.

The NRA and their paid apologists in Government and the meeja should be held personally responsible for all the recent deaths resulting from mass shootings - perhaps then they will turn their minds to stopping such tragedies in the future.
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Many countries with liberal firearm laws do not experience the same level of gun related homicide so the idea that gun ownership is the major cause of gun violence is clearly not true. What differs between those other countries and the US? Culture. Culture is the issue.
 
Roar87 said:
No one has mentioned going on a mass killing spree with a knife, you are more likely to die if you get stabbed by someone than if someone is shooting at you from 25 yards with most hand guns, that's all. Nothing to do with mass shootings. This is based on injuries suffered by Police in America and in direct response to someone suggesting they'd rather take on a knife attacker when you are 3 times as likely to die when stabbed than shot.

Yes for a mass killing you'd choose a semi automatic high powered rifle like an AR-15
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Well someone has mentioned some Japanese guy that stabbed 20 people
 
Schlong&Stable said:
Many countries with liberal firearm laws do not experience the same level of gun related homicide so the idea that gun ownership is the major cause of gun violence is clearly not true. What differs between those other countries and the US? Culture. Culture is the issue.
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I accept that the American culture advocating the use of firearms is a major part of the problem and that after many thousands more deaths and the passage of many years their culture may evolve.

In the meantime, dramatically tightening up on the availability of firearms to a culturally violent citizenry would seem like a sensible strategy.

As a matter of interest, do many other countries have the inalienable and sacred right to keep and bear arms written into their constitution?
 
Schlong&Stable said:
Many countries with liberal firearm laws do not experience the same level of gun related homicide so the idea that gun ownership is the major cause of gun violence is clearly not true. What differs between those other countries and the US? Culture. Culture is the issue.
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If you can't change the culture though, then surely the laws can be put in place to help - not just leave it as it is.
 
VincentHanna said:
If you can't change the culture though, then surely the laws can be put in place to help - not just leave it as it is.
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Putting those laws in place is extremely difficult and probably a poor use of government time and effort. And is it even desirable? If people can own guns without engaging in gun violence, why shouldn't they?

The short game cannot be won, it was lost fifty years ago. Forget trying to make drastic gun law changes, it won't happen and it will distract from the long-term solutions. Instead, pour efforts into addressing the root cause in a step-by-step approach. It will take decades to change things, but it can be done.
 
hurfdurf said:
"Oh this is actually going to affect me personally, oh now I care!"
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StriderX said:
Oh what a ******* hypocrite, compassionate conservatism at it again, when really its just pure selfishness until it affects them.
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Agreed. What a total douche. Still, at least that's 1 converted. Hopefully we won't need other relatives to be affected to have others wake up.
 
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