Today's mass shooting in the US

Lord-Jaffa said:
The UK is also an island and isnt neighboured by some of the most violent third world nations on earth. Isnt UK gun crime at its highest rate for over a decade as well? Our knife crime is basically the mirror image of the inner city US gun violence.


In the same way some parts of the US (ironically the cities with the toughest gun laws) are responsible for a huge amount of the gun related homicides.
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Difference with knives is you cant use it to mow down a whole office. Or kill people driving by.
 
Nasher said:
Nothing says they have to allow ammo. The right to bear arms doesn't even specify guns. It's purely the gun lobby keeping it going.
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Doesn't really wash - the constitutional right is, contrary to some interpretations, about preventing the impeding of the ability for citizens to form (if required) an effective militia - if firearms are a are a necessary part of that so would be ammunition.

Interesting note about the Texas Midland/Odessa shootings the shooter was actually barred at a federal level from buying guns but seems to have been able to acquire them through private sales :( like I've said before it wouldn't take much more than some common sense tweaks and enforcement of the laws to reduce the frequency of these kind of incidents in the US by a huge percentage - the current system just makes it too easy.
 
An effective militia without nuclear arms it is not, here lay the death of this argument. God only knows what will happen in a fully automated drone'd up police force, why even bother with formalities and these little oathkeeping weirdos think they have power over that? Farce.
 
Kutter said:
Your more likely to get gunned down by a police officer during a traffic stop, than some random nutjob out on a killing spree.
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What's your argument?

That if even trained professionals can't be trusted with guns then it's madness to allow anybody and everybody to stroll around with them?

And I'd like to see a stat for that, especially for a white person...
 
I don't like that innocent Americans are slaughtered, and with a frequency that seriously invites compassion fatigue, by the estranged in their midst.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
They should change it to 'the right to bare arms'.
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