Today's mass shooting in the US

[FnG]magnolia · 11 Dec 2019 at 08:10

All seems under control so GG America.

Nasher · 11 Dec 2019 at 08:16

Pringle W said:
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet. Maybe 6 dead isn't 'mass' enough?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50737537

Gun battle in New Jersey today.

I think that sort of shootout is perfectly normal in the US so isnt news.

Rroff · 11 Dec 2019 at 08:20

Nasher said:
I think that sort of shootout is perfectly normal in the US so isnt news.

Turned out a little less usual than your average "gangbanger" who "ain't going back to prison" incident but still less news than when someone goes shooting civilians.

Freakbro · 11 Dec 2019 at 13:21

Rroff said:
Turned out a little less usual than your average "gangbanger" who "ain't going back to prison" incident but still less news than when someone goes shooting civilians.

Sounds like there might be more to it, police saying they now think the kosher supermarket was targeted and the perpetrators were definitely well prepared, with a possible 'incendiary device' in their vehicle.

jpaul · 11 Dec 2019 at 13:41

moreover, I thought update was going to be the saudi pilot shooter/terrorist at USA airbase.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...-saudi-students-shooting-191211045146685.html
not surprisingly

Pilots grounded
..
The shooting struck a nerve in the US with echoes of the September 11, 2001, attacks, in which Saudi citizens accounted for 15 of the 19 hijackers that flew airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

NVP · 30 Dec 2019 at 07:18

A gunman has opened fire in a church in Texas, fatally shooting two people before being killed by an armed member of the congregation.

The gunman stood up from a pew at West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, a suburb of Fort Worth, pulled out a shotgun and began firing.

A motive has not been established for the shooting, which lasted six seconds.

White Settlement police chief JP Bevering praised "the heroic actions" of those who confronted the attacker.

The shooting took place at about 11:50 (17:50 GMT) on Sunday, during a morning service that was being livestreamed on social media.

Video footage showed the gunman stand up from a pew and speak to a man nearby, who gestured at another parishioner. The gunman then fired at the man he gestured towards.

The gunman fired again, at the man he had spoken to, before a member of the congregation acting as a security guard returned fire with a handgun, immediately felling the attacker.

Several other parishioners also produced handguns and trained them on the attacker. It was not clear from the video footage whether any of the other armed parishioners fired shots.

The two churchgoers who were shot died later in hospital, police said.

Even in Church everyone is armed. What a ridiculous country.

They are not under civil unrest, they do not have roaming predarors, they do not need to hunt daily for food. They simply need them to protect themselves from madmen - how do they cull that need? Better mental health facilities and nationwide disarmament?

rxodium · 30 Dec 2019 at 07:48

Saw the video. Dude got off one shot and killed someone before the security dude quick drew and took him out with one shot. He had to have hit him in the head, because he didn't fall back when he was hit (like a torso shot), he just went straight down like he'd had his brain switched off.

As for being armed in a church, or having security. It's not that surprising given how many places of worship across denominations have been targeted in the last several years.

There was a mass stabbing of Jews in NY the other day too.

deuse · 30 Dec 2019 at 07:59

NVP said:
Even in Church everyone is armed. What a ridiculous country.

They are not under civil unrest, they do not have roaming predarors, they do not need to hunt daily for food. They simply need them to protect themselves from madmen - how do they cull that need? Better mental health facilities and nationwide disarmament?

He was killed by the church security team.(beaten to it)
But don't let facts get in the way :rolleyes:

Malevolence · 30 Dec 2019 at 08:00

That headshot to take the shooter down was sublime.

deuse · 30 Dec 2019 at 08:08

Malevolence said:
That headshot to take the shooter down was sublime.

Just seen the video.
A very good shot 10\10

Rroff · 30 Dec 2019 at 08:15

Never really know how it might have gone down otherwise but looks like one of the church security team initiates it by reaching for his gun while the shooter is covering him already with his shotgun?

The same old problem though that the shooter went in their with some kind of intention while armed civilians are on the back foot and hesitate to shoot first.

Sankari · 30 Dec 2019 at 08:17

Fun fact: Australia has never had a school shooting or a church shooting in its entire history. Somehow we achieved these miracles without a 2nd amendment.

NVP · 30 Dec 2019 at 08:29

deuse said:
He was killed by the church security team.(beaten to it)
But don't let facts get in the way

How about you learn to read all the way through before you attempt superiority.

deuse · 30 Dec 2019 at 08:43

Evangelion said:
Fun fact: Australia has never had a school shooting or a church shooting in its entire history.
But it did have a shooting at Monash University.
Somehow we achieved these miracles without a 2nd amendment.

Washout · 30 Dec 2019 at 09:41

deuse said:
He was killed by the church security team.(beaten to it)
But don't let facts get in the way

The church 'security team' are just parishioners with a firearms license.

deuse · 30 Dec 2019 at 10:11

Washout said:
The church 'security team' are just parishioners with a firearms license.

He was a security guard.

Churches in the US have been hiring off duty police and security guards for years.

Sankari · 30 Dec 2019 at 10:11

deuse said:
But it did have a shooting at Monash University.

Yes, and the attacker only killed 2 people despite being armed with six fully loaded handguns. He was taken down by two unarmed people, one of whom he had already shot. Handgun laws were tightened in response, and we've never had an incident like it again.

Australia's track record still beats the USA's in every department.

deuse · 30 Dec 2019 at 10:13

Evangelion said:
Yes, and the attacker only killed 2 people.

Only 2 people!
Says it all really.

Rroff · 30 Dec 2019 at 10:15

Evangelion said:
Yes, and the attacker only killed 2 people despite being armed with six fully loaded handguns. He was taken down by two unarmed people, one of whom he had already shot. Handgun laws were tightened in response, and we've never had an incident like it again.

Australia's track record still beats the USA's in every department.

Very different country though - I suspect even if firearm ownership in Australia was as prevalent as it is in the US it would still have significantly lower number of firearms incidents. There is a lot the US could do without significantly altering the actual firearm ownership side of it.

deuse said:
He was a security guard.

Churches in the US have been hiring off duty police and security guards for years.

While I doubt he went in there with a shotgun to deliver a sermon so to speak - the shooter only started shooting in reaction to what looked like one guy going for a weapon (he covered him with the shotgun for a good 5 seconds until the guy reached as if going for a weapon) - odd situation all around in that respect though as there was obviously at least 5-6 people packing guns in there so dunno what the shooter was expecting to happen - one way or another that wasn't ending happily.

deuse · 30 Dec 2019 at 10:20

NVP said:
How about you learn to read all the way through before you attempt superiority.

"Tonight, church members told CBS 11 the security team here is relatively new — put in place about a year ago — and given other church shootings, they wanted to be prepared for the worst."

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/12/29...cions-of-church-gunman-before-he-opened-fire/