Today's mass shooting in the US

deuse said:
Only 2 people!
Says it all really.
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Yes it does. Only two people, as opposed to the regular mass killings we see in the USA.

Rroff said:
Very different country though
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Yes.

- I suspect even if firearm ownership in Australia was as prevalent as it is in the US it would still have significantly lower number of firearms incidents. There is a lot the US could do without significantly altering the actual firearm ownership side of it.
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All of this is true. The gun problem in the USA is as much a culture problem as it is a legal one. Americans glorify firearm violence and firearm ownership. They're willing to pay for that glory with the blood of innocents. Other countries are more civilised.
 
I find it very strange that people want to watch the video. It's a video of people being shot and killed, why on earth would you want to watch this? I think this trivialising of death and serious injury is desensitising people and may be making these attacks more common.

I know I'm almost at the stage of blaming computer games, but watching real vidoes depicting real death seems wrong.
 
Ahleckz said:
I find it very strange that people want to watch the video. It's a video of people being shot and killed, why on earth would you want to watch this? I think this trivialising of death and serious injury is desensitising people and may be making these attacks more common.

I know I'm almost at the stage of blaming computer games, but watching real vidoes depicting real death seems wrong.
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Personally I don't tend to rush to watch stuff like that but there is a longer range CCTV feed of the incident that between various news sites using clips from I had pretty much seen most of it anyway (and already knew what I was going to see).
 
it’s starting to concern me now as we’re getting more and more shootings where we didn’t used to get them. Someone was shot at near the local bowling alley because she had pulled off the road and the car behind couldn’t get past. There have been 4 or 5 different shootings just in the past week or two.

Nothing will change though so maybe it’s time I get a carry permit.
 
timmeh said:
it’s starting to concern me now as we’re getting more and more shootings where we didn’t used to get them. Someone was shot at near the local bowling alley because she had pulled off the road and the car behind couldn’t get past. There have been 4 or 5 different shootings just in the past week or two.

Nothing will change though so maybe it’s time I get a carry permit.
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In my opinion more often than not fatalities happen in altercations because more than one party was armed - generally the gun is (stupidly) drawn to intimidate rather than to kill (though obviously not always the case). Home invasion type scenario one of the few situations where a firearm could potentially make the difference as the situation more often is clearer cut and with the law being what it is there much less hesitation on the part of the home owner.
 
timmeh said:
it’s starting to concern me now as we’re getting more and more shootings where we didn’t used to get them. Someone was shot at near the local bowling alley because she had pulled off the road and the car behind couldn’t get past. There have been 4 or 5 different shootings just in the past week or two.

Nothing will change though so maybe it’s time I get a carry permit.
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Where, exactly, do you live in the US?

Whilst this can be a city problem "Most" peoples extra-urban US experience really is not like this.

Whilst if you are going to be murdered you are more likley to be shot in the US than by being bludgeond, stabbed, suffocated, drowned, etc than in other developed world nations. BUT unless you are a member of a very specific demographic living in very clearly defined neghborhoods, you are not really significantly more likly to die by violence than anywhere else in the developed world.

The aforementioned minority demographic and neighbourhoods represent over 50% of all violent crime in the US and around 70% of all firearm related homicides.

Why is a different question and is undoubtedly a complex issue. But to lump the statistics of the violent and murderous behaviour of a small minority, whose victims also fall within that minority, and use those statistics to paint a picture of the whole nation being a murderous and dangerous place is just so wrong!

There will be plenty of communities in the US (Particularly in the flyover states) where despite being armed to the teeth, there will not have been any criminal homicides (Outside domestic ones, which are always a wildcard) inside decades.

Just like small towns in SW Surrey.
 
Local TV station NBC DFW reported that Kinnunen had a criminal record including charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in 2009.
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Another one that probably could have been avoided with some common sense gun laws without the need for getting rid of guns :|
 
Orionaut said:
Where, exactly, do you live in the US?

Whilst this can be a city problem "Most" peoples extra-urban US experience really is not like this.

Whilst if you are going to be murdered you are more likley to be shot in the US than by being bludgeond, stabbed, suffocated, drowned, etc than in other developed world nations. BUT unless you are a member of a very specific demographic living in very clearly defined neghborhoods, you are not really significantly more likly to die by violence than anywhere else in the developed world.

The aforementioned minority demographic and neighbourhoods represent over 50% of all violent crime in the US and around 70% of all firearm related homicides.

Why is a different question and is undoubtedly a complex issue. But to lump the statistics of the violent and murderous behaviour of a small minority, whose victims also fall within that minority, and use those statistics to paint a picture of the whole nation being a murderous and dangerous place is just so wrong!

There will be plenty of communities in the US (Particularly in the flyover states) where despite being armed to the teeth, there will not have been any criminal homicides (Outside domestic ones, which are always a wildcard) inside decades.

Just like small towns in SW Surrey.
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I live in Tennessee. The town I live in is tiny and has pretty much no crime (I’ve left my garage open all night numerous times, leave doors unlocked for a few days before) but the biggest town near us (~15miles) has a pretty serious gang problem. It used to be only in the south of the town but it seems to be spreading more and more.

People shoot each other over arguments in Walmart car parks, petrol stations etc. It’s pathetic. Car jackings are becoming more common too.
 
There's something very wrong/broken with a society when you need armed people inside a Church. End of.
Ludicrous people can point at a (attempted) mass shooting and use it to say 'guns are good m'kay'.

See Trumpy jumped on it to play to his base a bit more; almost 24hrs after the fact. How many more murders facilitated by a gun happened in between.
 
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