Today's mass shooting in the US

Nasher said:
Not if they also ban the tools and materials used to make them. Modern ammo used some kind of cellulose, not gun powder. You can't easily make it yourself on a large scale.
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I bet you could if you knew how. If not, you could make gunpowder. It's worse in a variety of ways, but it works.

But more importantly, you're calling for a ban on metal (since various metals are key material in making bullets) and you're calling for making pretty much all DIY, model-making, etc, illegal. It doesn't require only utterly specialised tools to make bullets, tools that have no other use. Even if it did, you'd still have to ban general purpose tools because they could be used to make the specialised tools.

What you're calling for isn't reasonable or practical.

I had a quick look at what explosive is used for modern bullets. It was being made by individuals in makeshift labs in the 19th century. It's not that much more high tech than gunpowder and you need less of it. It could be made at home. It wouldn't be safe to make it at home, but it could be done. So your plan would result in some more explosions too.
 
Angilion said:
I had a quick look at what explosive is used for modern bullets. It was being made by individuals in makeshift labs in the 19th century. It's not that much more high tech than gunpowder and you need less of it. It could be made at home. It wouldn't be safe to make it at home, but it could be done. So your plan would result in some more explosions too.
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Yeah - my dad with his chemistry knowledge could knock up a perfectly functioning if rather crude firearm with stuff that is normally around the house such as piping and various cleaning chemicals, etc. if it came to it hah - though these days they have taken steps to make that harder (not necessarily with intentions towards thwarting the production of DIY firearms).
 
Rroff said:
could knock up a perfectly functioning if rather crude firearm with stuff that is normally around the house such as piping and various cleaning chemicals
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During the Troubles, Republican and Loyalist paramilitaries were knocking out Sten gun copies at such a rate and volume that they were actually going to the trouble of serialising them so the "quartermasters" knew what guns were where. When the army and police would raid their "factories" (usually sheds and garages), the search dogs would ignore the parts for the sten guns because they were just pieces of scrap metal (which predominantly came from Harland & Wolff shipyard), but would detect the ammunition and previously fired guns.
 
Rroff said:
Yeah - my dad with his chemistry knowledge could knock up a perfectly functioning if rather crude firearm with stuff that is normally around the house such as piping and various cleaning chemicals, etc. if it came to it hah - though these days they have taken steps to make that harder (not necessarily with intentions towards thwarting the production of DIY firearms).
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Was your dad part of a crack commando unit, sent to prison for a crime he didn't commit?
 
Ugley_Matt said:
I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was a legally held firearm too.
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Therein lies the rub. The second amendment as currently understood allows for firearms ownership. There are ways to change the constitution but quite frankly they will never get enacted on this subject because it has become the subject of a culture war. If they wanted to make a change it needed to happen 70+ years ago when gun ownership was far lower and it doesn't appear like it was such a totemic issue. This problem is never going away for the US.
 
PlacidCasual said:
Therein lies the rub. The second amendment as currently understood allows for firearms ownership. There are ways to change the constitution but quite frankly they will never get enacted on this subject because it has become the subject of a culture war. If they wanted to make a change it needed to happen 70+ years ago when gun ownership was far lower and it doesn't appear like it was such a totemic issue. This problem is never going away for the US.
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General attitudes are changing in the US though, there is majority support in the public for tighter gun controls. It seems mainly the lobbyists and those in power holding things back.
 
@Freakbro I have no difficulty imagining that is true. For me the problem is I expect that the sentiment for that is inconsistent and some states will have very strong pro guns sentiment that is unlikely to change because it is a subject of the culture war. These states effectively are a blocker on constitutional change should public opinion move far enough it is even considered.
 
Mr Jack said:
A country that is okay with having children do "active shooter drills" as a normal part of life is simply not capable of good decision making.
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I don't know how widespread it is but some schools do cover an active shooter scenario in this country and we do a "in the event of terrorism" including active shooter drills every 6 months where I work.

I had a laugh as I was doing a course involving velocity wounds with the example of a gunshot wound and the trainer laughingly pointed to the part of rural Somerset I work as if it would never happen here - with all the farmers, etc. we are probably amongst the more heavily armed parts of the country for civilians - accidental gunshot wounds probably not entirely unlikely.
 
Rroff said:
I don't know how widespread it is but some schools do cover an active shooter scenario in this country and we do a "in the event of terrorism" including active shooter drills every 6 months where I work.

I had a laugh as I was doing a course involving velocity wounds with the example of a gunshot wound and the trainer laughingly pointed to the part of rural Somerset I work as if it would never happen here - with all the farmers, etc. we are probably amongst the more heavily armed parts of the country for civilians - accidental gunshot wounds probably not entirely unlikely.
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Reminds me of that line in Hot Fuzz.......'every farmer and his mum is packing round 'ere!' :D
 
I'm not sure which mass shooting this thread is referring too, but let's take the recent one.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56770200

I'm from the states and greatly oppose the current gun laws and always have.

There comes a time (long time ago), that you need to take the "knife away from the child' because they keep hurting themselves and others. Yes I'm referring to adults as children because sometimes they do dumb things and need rules to keep that from happening.

Anyways, I admit I'm a bit numb to it. There were issues years ago and yet it keeps happening.

My dad committed suicide when I was 2 with a gun, maybe he wouldn't of done that if he didn't have access to it. The people that favor guns always talk about the mental health of the individual. Sure... But that's just talk because it didn't work then then and it's not working now.

So again if the 4 year old can't play with the knife safely do you think by keeping on talking to him or suggesting you talk to him while they keep hurting others is the right thing to do?

I don't know the best course of action but making guns this available imo is not the way to go.

How many school shootings and mass shootings will it take before there is change?
 
djxput said:
How many school shootings and mass shootings will it take before there is change?
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If Sandy Hook didn't do it then nothing will.

Nasher said:
What if they just ban ammo :D
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The Funktopus said:
This. I mean they can still have their precious right to ‘Bear Arms’, just not anything to shoot out of them. :D
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The Chris Rock bit springs to mind ;)

"You don’t need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullet control. Men, we need to control the bullets, that’s right. I think all bullets should cost five thousand dollars… five thousand dollars per bullet… You know why? Cause if a bullet cost five thousand dollars there would be no more innocent bystanders.

Yeah! Every time somebody get shot we’d say, ‘Damn, he must have done something ... ****, he’s got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass.’

And people would think before they killed somebody if a bullet cost five thousand dollars. ‘Man I would blow your ******* head off…if I could afford it.’ ‘I’m gonna get me another job, I’m going to start saving some money, and you’re a dead man. You’d better hope I can’t get no bullets on layaway.’

So even if you get shot by a stray bullet, you wouldn't have to go to no doctor to get it taken out. Whoever shot you would take their bullet back, like "I believe you got my property."
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