Today's mass shooting in the US

Yes, because giving people the tools and the option of stopping a school shooter before they kill countless kids is stupid.

Sounds pretty stupid when you have the context of armed law enforcement scared for their life to engage a school shooter for an hour.

Here teacher, maybe you'll have more motivation than armed police. Use those teaching qualifications and low pay and this gun.
 
Sounds pretty stupid when you have the context of armed law enforcement scared for their life to engage a school shooter for an hour.

Here teacher, maybe you'll have more motivation than armed police. Use those teaching qualifications and low pay and this gun.

Jim Jeffries said...

And then they go, “Oh, well, answer to that, we’ll just add more guns.” They go, “We’ll put an armed security guard at every school across America.” Yeah, that’ll work out. The average security guard in America earns $16 an hour. Not a lot of wiggle room to be a ***ing hero! Someone comes onto the school and… [Mimicking machine gun] And you’ve got Kevin. Now, I’m sure Kevin’s ****-hot at Call of Duty, but it might not ****ing cut it, ladies and gentlemen.
 
Israel had problems with school shootings. They stopped dead (ahem) once the teachers were armed.

One quick check later...


Israel has a law that school sites require an armed guard instructed to engage attackers.

That's not a teacher or a rent a cop.
 
Israel had problems with school shootings. They stopped dead (ahem) once the teachers were armed.

Both of those sentences are false. Israel never had problems with school shootings, and did not arm teachers.

Where do you get this nonsense from?
 
Total USA gun deaths, inc. suicide stands at 36,160 for 2022.

For some context on how low that number is -

US Deaths in 2020:

42,000 killed by falls

40,500 killed in vehicle accidents

87,000 killed accidental poisioning

So gun deaths have a way to go yet before they get high enough to be called a "problem" in the US, irrespective of our feelings about it.

Figures from the National Centre for Health Statistics which is part of the CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
 
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It's always interesting, when in response to people walking into classrooms and shooting school children, again and again, year after year - you always get some poor fool who has to drag out statistics on vehicle accidents, to make a point that there's no problem at all in America, with guns and gun violence.
 
it's always interesting that the people in this thread who pipe up whenever a certain type of mass shooting hits the news conveniently ignore the other mass shootings that happen every day in America, quite often involving kids. I wonder why that is?
 
it's always interesting that the people in this thread who pipe up whenever a certain type of mass shooting hits the news conveniently ignore the other mass shootings that happen every day in America, quite often involving kids. I wonder why that is?

Which ones are reported on UK news?
 
For some context on how low that number is -

That doesn't pass the 'So what?' test. You're not convincing anyone with 'X is smaller than Y, therefore X is not a real problem.'

You're also comparing radically different incidents with radically different causes. It's not a valid comparison.

it's always interesting that the people in this thread who pipe up whenever a certain type of mass shooting hits the news conveniently ignore the other mass shootings that happen every day in America, quite often involving kids. I wonder why that is?

This thread does a good job of tracking mass shootings in the US, both those involving children and those that don't. I don't see anyone ignoring other mass shootings. More to the point, there are so many mass shootings, we're spoiled for choice.
 
Both of those sentences are false. Israel never had problems with school shootings, and did not arm teachers.

Israel did have a problem with school shootings so they did something about it. But that was all in pre-internet days. Like 1974 - the Ma'a lot massacre.

As for arming teachers, from here:

Our research indicates that Israel has taken a number of steps to protect schools and students from terrorist attacks and gun violence, with a greater emphasis on the former.

Authorization to Carry Firearms in Schools

The law permits the following people to carry firearms in schools:

1. the guards (provided they are the security company's property and not their own weapons),

2. authorized Education Ministry personnel using ministry firearms,

3. the police, and

4. the army.

Note point 2.
 
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