Trans resistance / vengeance day this weekend... apparently.
Not sure what they're resisting, I'm guessing reality.
Today's mass shooting in the US
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Trans resistance / vengeance day this weekend... apparently.
Not sure what they're resisting, I'm guessing reality.
Trans day of visibility* 31st March
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Looks like Australia is doing it right.
That infographic was made a while ago, so it doesn't include the latest US school shootings. I posted it in a Christian Facebook group, and received an immediate backlash from American Christians.
Is there a term more oxymoronic than that? I'm an atheist and I'm more "Christian" than vast swathes of American Christians.
already been debunked, morons gonna moron tho
Lauren Boebert has some thoughts about firearm deaths in the US.
Her figure is wrong. 2018 saw a total of 39,740 firearm deaths, not 15,000. I wouldn't call that a drop in the bucket.
The operative word being 'legal.' Australia's buyback was a huge success. It shows you can restrict firearms without removing them entirely, and still achieve great results.
Remember also that the new legislation didn't just stop at a buyback:
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Her figure is wrong. 2018 saw a total of 39,740 firearm deaths, not 15,000. I wouldn't call that a drop in the bucket.
The operative word being 'legal.' Australia's buyback was a huge success. It shows you can restrict firearms without removing them entirely, and still achieve great results.
Remember also that the new legislation didn't just stop at a buyback:
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From memory it sounds about right if you deduct suicides.
But it is a drop in the bucket, the amount of people dying from being fat in the US is more than all deaths from guns in the world, including wars
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But why would you deduct firearm suicides? That makes no sense at all, because they're still firearm deaths. Deducting suicides is simply an dishonest trick to reduce the overall death toll.
It's like saying 'let's deduct all accidental firearm deaths', or 'let's deduct all firearm deaths caused by children with firearms', or 'let's deduct all firearm deaths on a Tuesday.' It's entirely arbitrary and unjustified.
Everything is a drop in the bucket if you compare it to a large enough number. That doesn't mean it's not a problem, and it doesn't give anyone an excuse for refusing to act on it.
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Because the issue with guns in this thread is all the shootings, people committing suicide is not an issue for you. Actually crime effects you, being robbed, being shot by a mass shooter when you are at some event etc.
Not arbitrary.
Accidents deducted, yes, depends on the accident, if you leave your gun loaded and your kid or wife or brother or whatever, shoots themselves, this is your problem. If the accident shoots other people then of course, not deducted.
Likewise, a police officer shooting a shooter, this is to be deducted also.
Its like covid death statistics, a man was run over by a drunk driver and killed, however as he tested positive for covid 2 weeks ago, his death is now a covid death also. Yea sure.
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Yes everything is a drop in the bucket if you compare to a larger number yes, but we dont have infinite resources, if the goal is to reduce total deaths we would focus on what is easiest first.
But why?
Suicide by police is common with school shooters.
And is relevant in the recent shooting, they text old friends telling them they will be on the news, clearly planning a massacre and their own death/suicide by police.
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I'd argue suicides should be included. I know some people will argue well they would just find another way to do it. The stats don't seem to back that up
www.kff.org
Do States with Easier Access to Guns have More Suicide Deaths by Firearm? | KFF
The recent mass shootings in Uvalde and Buffalo have catalyzed discussion around mental health and gun policy. In the same week that the federal Bipartisan Safer Communities Act was signed strengthening background checks for young adults, adding incentives for red flag laws, and reducing access...
www.kff.org
Given your country of residence, you must know who Jim Jeffries is. Watch his skit on gun control, it's on Youtube. I can't link it as his potty mouth makes me look like a catholic schoolgirl
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I'd argue suicides should be included. I know some people will argue well they would just find another way to do it. The stats don't seem to back that up
Do States with Easier Access to Guns have More Suicide Deaths by Firearm? | KFF
The recent mass shootings in Uvalde and Buffalo have catalyzed discussion around mental health and gun policy. In the same week that the federal Bipartisan Safer Communities Act was signed strengthening background checks for young adults, adding incentives for red flag laws, and reducing access...
Maybe better, rather than including or excluding anything, to simply not use stupid statistics that add up all possible deaths relating to guns and instead use others that are useful.
No, the issue is firearm deaths, no matter how they occur. That's because the common denominator in firearm deaths is access to firearms. Reduce access, and you reduce deaths. Every other Western nation does this successfully.
Cherry picking which firearm deaths to remove from the statistics is moronic at best, and dishonest at worst.
We don't need infinite resources. Every other Western nation outperforms the US when it comes to firearm deaths. Why do you think that is?
I'd argue suicides should be included. I know some people will argue well they would just find another way to do it. The stats don't seem to back that up
Do States with Easier Access to Guns have More Suicide Deaths by Firearm? | KFF
The recent mass shootings in Uvalde and Buffalo have catalyzed discussion around mental health and gun policy. In the same week that the federal Bipartisan Safer Communities Act was signed strengthening background checks for young adults, adding incentives for red flag laws, and reducing access...
This site doesn’t appear to take into account attempted suicides. It only shows people who did manage to take their own lives. What this data appears to show is that states with more relaxed gun laws have more “successful” suicide attempts.
Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality
www.cdc.gov
Another interesting set of stats. All those second amendment loving states topping the list not New York and Illinois
Isn't just about firearms deaths though - other countries which have had or currently do have more relaxed firearms regulations don't see the same problems the US does - Australia for a chunk of its history had laws relatively close to the US without seeing the issues the US has - interestingly since the 1996 law changes firearms incidents in Australia have dropped significantly but firearms per capita has actually gone back up again, although that tends to be existing owners buying additional, or replacing their banned semi-automatics, rather than new owners. One of the difference being the types of gun though with semi-automatic rifles being replaced with bolt action or straight pull variants.
America has a problem and it goes far beyond firearms.
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