Caporegime
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Did their melanin play a part?
Today's mass shooting in the US
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Skin colour in the US correlates with culture.
Some groups with more melanin than 'whites' commit crimes and murder at far lower per capita rates and so its demonstrably not true that melanin can be said to be a casual factor in crime rates.
Little progress will be made on this matter until a lot more people accept that culture is the issue. We have had decades in the west of the state (inadvertently?) promoting cultures less conducive to producing educated and law abiding citizens.
Declines have been seen in multiple racial groups but some have been more affected than others. A lot of 'white' culture in places like the US is obviously inferior to other cultures both within the US and abroad when it comes to these metrics and so it would be hard to suggest this is a 'white supremacist' postion as well.
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Which bit is 'not rare' shootings in general or something more specific?
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Are you qualified to say it has no part?
Clearly you didn't get yours from anywhere that would teach you race is made up of factors other than just skin colour.
You had a guy bang to rights half an hour ago because of his (lack of) melanin compared to the kid he shot.
Further back in the thread there was mention of a white man who, more recently, shot a white woman in a car, in the US, from his porch.
With the afermentioned white woman being in a car that went up the wrong drive with the driver trying to turn the car around to leave as shots were fired. With non of the occupants of the car having been said to have left the vehicle, on the drive, at any point before shots were fired.
In other news, people have mostly forgotten about, a few years back a black 25-year-old male shot a white 5 year old boy in the head at 'point blank range' killing him as the the boy was playing on his bicycle at around 5.30pm on a summers evening. No motivation has ever (to the best of my knowledge) been released publically and the family of the child and the main stream media's reaction was to claim that race wasn't an issue.
The father of a 5-year-old boy killed in North Carolina says the suspect was a neighbor for eight years | CNN
The grieving father of a 5-year-old boy killed in North Carolina said the suspect has lived next door for eight years and he shared dinner with him a day before the shooting.
www.cnn.com
So maybe you could use your obviously considerable intellect to weigh in on the likely motivations for these crimes?
And whilst your are at it maybe reflect on my previously posted figures that details that interacially, in the US, blacks kill around twice as many whites per annum as the reverse *as an absolute number* whilst the amount of whites is around six times greater making the 'per capita' figure even more egregious....
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Caporegime
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Further back in the thread there was mention of a white man who, more recently shot a white woman in a car, in the US from his porch, when the car the afermentioned white woman was in went up the wrong drive and the driver was trying to turn the car around to leave with non of the occupants having left the car.
In other news, people have mostly forgotten about, a few years back a black 25-year-old male shot a white 5 year old boy in the head at 'point blank range' killing him as the the boy was playing on his bicycle at around 5.30pm on a summers evening. No motivation has ever (to the best of my knowledge) been released publically and the family of the child and the main stream media's reaction was to claim that race wasn't an issue.
The father of a 5-year-old boy killed in North Carolina says the suspect was a neighbor for eight years | CNN
The grieving father of a 5-year-old boy killed in North Carolina said the suspect has lived next door for eight years and he shared dinner with him a day before the shooting.
So maybe you could use your obviously considerable intellectual to weigh in on the motivations for these crimes?
And whilst your are at it maybe reflect on my previously posted figures that details that interacially, in the US, blacks kill around twice as many whites per annum as the reverse *as an absolute number* whilst the amount of whites is around six times greater making the 'per capita' figure even more egregious....
Was a Black Man Charged in the Killing of a White 5-Year-Old in North Carolina?
Conservative Americans claimed the mainstream news media (apart from Fox News) schemed to keep the death of Cannon Hinnant quiet.
www.snopes.com
How The Murder Of 5-Year-Old Cannon Hinnant Became A Conservative Controversy About Race
By Friday, Fox News host Tucker Carlson was asking why the media was ignoring Hinnant’s murder.
www.forbes.com
Also, I'd be inclined to believe the mother:
Was a Black Man Charged in the Killing of a White 5-Year-Old in North Carolina?
Conservative Americans claimed the mainstream news media (apart from Fox News) schemed to keep the death of Cannon Hinnant quiet.
How The Murder Of 5-Year-Old Cannon Hinnant Became A Conservative Controversy About Race
By Friday, Fox News host Tucker Carlson was asking why the media was ignoring Hinnant’s murder.
Also, I'd be inclined to believe the mother
Did you miss the part were I explicitly mentioned what the dead child's family had said in the post you quoted?
Also quoting 'snopes' as a reliable source when they are defending the rest of the Democrat supporting MSM/ the Democratic party/ large swathes of the establishment is risible.
Well yes the media didn't completly ignore the incident (how could they?) but do you know what we didn't get...
The police irresponsibly saying there was likely a 'racial element' to the incident based on the differing skin colours of the victim and shooter whilst not in any way substantiating this, at the point they made the claim.
And extended media coverage where things like the social media history of the suspect were subject of close review to try and infer any hints of racial animus.
Like seriously don't you remember the time Snopes awarded a 'mixture' rating to the claim:
'Did a 'Convicted Terrorist' Sit on the Board of a BLM Funding Body?'
Based on quibbling about whether being an active member of revolutionary left-wing movements, whose illegal activities included bombing U.S. government buildings and committing armed robberies, constituted 'terroism'.....
Did a 'Convicted Terrorist' Sit on the Board of a BLM Funding Body?
The past crimes of Susan Rosenberg reemerged in the summer of 2020, amid a new wave of protests over racial injustice and police brutality.
www.snopes.com
Pure cringe expecting them to have any credibility when it comes to US racial politics.
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But did he?
Cover-up alleged over Scot shot dead in Texas
POLICE records into the killing of Mr Andrew De Vries, the Scottish oilman shot dead in Houston, Texas, are to be kept secret, prompting accusations…www.heraldscotland.com
Well, we will never know what really happened. Maybe he had an argument/fight with the other people in the car about a legitimate concern before jumping out of the car. Perhaps he was frightened and was hiding from them when he had the unfortunate interaction with the armed homeowner. Or perhaps there was a conspiracy to murder him and the whole erratic behaviour narrative was just a cover story.
But the point is that a lot of information was released by the Police at the time and reported in several articles in the Houston Chronicle (less details were given by other US media), however, stories excluding all those details were run by the BBC and the UK media. So effectively the story that was available at the time was misrepresented by the UK media to British audiences in order to fit a political (anti-gun ownership) agenda.
This one seems to have had basically no international news coverage from the MSM
www.wtvm.com
Anyone thinks the media coverage would have been the same if the races were reversed?
In other news Biden yet again shows himself up to be the puppet 'yes man' he is these days....
What a difference 10 years makes!
(Conner Mullins family must have missed their invite to the Oval Office from Biden right?.....)
www.fieldandstream.com
Family of 12-year-old killed in Phenix City says they’re ‘torn to pieces’
News Leader 9 spoke with that 12-year-old’s brother and his mom off-camera. Both, of course, had a hard time talking tonight, without crying.
www.wtvm.com
Anyone thinks the media coverage would have been the same if the races were reversed?
In other news Biden yet again shows himself up to be the puppet 'yes man' he is these days....
What a difference 10 years makes!
(Conner Mullins family must have missed their invite to the Oval Office from Biden right?.....)
The F&S Gun Rights Interviews: Joe Biden, Vice President of
Less than a year ago, it seemed as though only the most vehemently anti-gun politicians wanted to go near the issue of gun control. Polls persistently showed that by a wide margin, most Americans didn't support new gun control measures. In the national me
www.fieldandstream.com
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Happens all the time!
I know years ago a guy from Aberdeen was killed on someone’s lawn in Texas after (drunkenly) trying to ask for directions.
As you say, media like to play the race card.
Kaylin Gillis: Woman shot dead in New York state after friend pulled into wrong driveway
Family remembers Kaylin Gillis as "beautiful soul and ray of light" who will be deeply missed.
www.bbc.com
I know years ago a guy from Aberdeen was killed on someone’s lawn in Texas after (drunkenly) trying to ask for directions.
As you say, media like to play the race card.
Missed this one...
You do realise that being arrested and being charged, in common law jurisdictions like the US and UK, aren't the same thing right?
And you intial post doesn't make sense if you were talking about suspects being charged...
Because no one is 'immediately' charged, by the police, as they generally have to do some investigation work beforehand!
Needless to say the octogenarian shooter *was* arrested shortly after the shooting and you were therefore taking nonsense.
The circumstances of the 'New York' case are also far more clear cut .....
...oh and by the way you make another howler here by saying the victim was trying to enter the shooters premises when in fact she never left the car, with the driver having gone up the wrong drive.
As the driver was trying to turn around the suspect left his house and firied twice at the car from his porch before he refused to leave his address when the police arrived.
Basically your last post looks awfully like the usual deflection cope many employ when caught out...
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Soldato
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Goodness me, just a ream of diatribal nonsense intended to mask what exactly, your views that racism in America isn't really a thing? That people of colour are making it up as some kind of grift and that after several hundred years of slavery etc everything now is copacetic and it is the caucasian person that is now being poorly treated and misrepresented?
Maybe you should start another thread saying exactly what your beliefs are as you clearly seem to have a very large chip on your shoulder over issues involving race.
Just to conclude on topic for me, both of these stories of the New York shooting and Missouri one appeared side by side on the BBC News website, so both were reported on.
Maybe you should start another thread saying exactly what your beliefs are as you clearly seem to have a very large chip on your shoulder over issues involving race.
Just to conclude on topic for me, both of these stories of the New York shooting and Missouri one appeared side by side on the BBC News website, so both were reported on.
Soldato
It does amaze me when posters try and claim racism isn't an issue in the US. Jim Crow was still in force in 16 states 4 years before I was born. The idea that with the passing of Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act all those 10s of millions of racists just had a change of heart and saw the error of their ways is laughable. Racism is ingrained into the US, it will take generations to breed/educate it out in numbers that actually mean anything.
It is funny that for decades certain white people having denied there is a racism problem they now try to claim there is but its aimed at them. Its like some kind of sick joke.
It was reported on only after being pointed out that a woman was actually shot and killed under similar circumstance - then you've also got the recent incident in phoenix with the 12 year old that was killed, again crickets from the UK media and race-baiting posters here. There is a clear bias in how stories are reported in the msm, it's been pointed out numerous times, and yet there's still folks that go around with their fingers in their ears or call anyone that dares mention it an 'ist.
It does amaze me that whenever anything happens with a white perpetrator and a black victim that the automatic response of some posters here is to jump to 'muh racism', but when it's a white victim and a black assailant they are strangely silent about any racial motives.
so there's no racism against whitey in the Western world?
When blacks kill whites at around 12x the reverse rate, per capita, when they commit violent crimes against asians at around 280x the rate of the reverse, when the media and the police tend to automatically assume a 'racial element' any time a black is shot by a white but not the other way around and when the main stream national US media (never mind the international MSM) ignore a 12 year old white boy being shot and killed by a black woman but would be all over it if the races were reversed then you really might struggle to explain rationally why you're throwing around such accusations in a rather transparent attempt to defect from the fact that you are a frequently incompetent poster who can't even get basic facts right and refuses to acknowledge when you have typed yet another load of nonsense.
There's still stark differences in both the quantity and content of the reporting and cases where the national US media ignore interacial killings of children when the victims are white (as per my previous link) with just some limited local US coverage.
The problem with the slavery/ Jim Crow argument is that metrics we know are strongly correlated positively to crime, for all races, were significantly better for black people in the US during the reconstruction and the Jim Crow era's despite any actual structural racism in place at the time.
The decline has been since the 1960's and the biggest declines in these metrics are often found within black communities.
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What is your actual point? Are you claiming there is no racism against minorities but lots of it against 'whitey' (as you call it)?
These 'white people' that come across as racist are just misunderstood are they?
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Soldato
I'm sorry what? Reconstruction effectively ended with Andrew Johnson, he made sure of that. Jim Crow and policies like red lining kept the black man where the white majority in many states wanted him, disenfranchised and poor. Crime has risen full stop in the US since the 1960s, yes it has risen in some predominately black areas but crime is nearly always linked to poverty. No one is saying there aren't problems in some cities with black crime but history means something and recent US history is not good on this subject.
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Poverty is an insufficient explanation for varying rates of crime rates in the US...
The claim is often made that blacks commit more crime either because they are poor or because of some legacy of suffering from slavery and segregation.
Neither of these make any sense when examined more closely.
There are nearly three times as many whites living in poverty in the US than blacks as an absolute number (the percentage for blacks as group is about double that of whites but there are far fewer blacks overall than whites).
From 2018 figures there were around 25, 295,122 White Americans living in poverty (as defined by the federal governments poverty threshold)
vs 9,148691 blacks living in poverty
https://www.povertyusa.org/facts
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120218
So if poverty was the main issue then the poor whites should be massively inflating the rate of overall violent crimes for whites vs the smaller number of blacks living in poverty in the US.
If a legacy of oppression was the cause of crime then we could expect one of the most consistently systemically oppressed groups in all of history (the Jews) to top the per capita rates for violent crime but we don't see this.
Instead we see them and other minority groups who often entered the US poor like Koreans and Indians not only surpassing blacks in many metrics (including not being arrested or incarcerated) but also significantly beating the white majority in many cases.
The claim is often made that blacks commit more crime either because they are poor or because of some legacy of suffering from slavery and segregation.
Neither of these make any sense when examined more closely.
There are nearly three times as many whites living in poverty in the US than blacks as an absolute number (the percentage for blacks as group is about double that of whites but there are far fewer blacks overall than whites).
From 2018 figures there were around 25, 295,122 White Americans living in poverty (as defined by the federal governments poverty threshold)
vs 9,148691 blacks living in poverty
https://www.povertyusa.org/facts
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120218
So if poverty was the main issue then the poor whites should be massively inflating the rate of overall violent crimes for whites vs the smaller number of blacks living in poverty in the US.
If a legacy of oppression was the cause of crime then we could expect one of the most consistently systemically oppressed groups in all of history (the Jews) to top the per capita rates for violent crime but we don't see this.
Instead we see them and other minority groups who often entered the US poor like Koreans and Indians not only surpassing blacks in many metrics (including not being arrested or incarcerated) but also significantly beating the white majority in many cases.
Soldato
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Your arguments remind me of the Eugenics arguments and Scientific racism used in the 1920's and 30's. The false equivalencies you're trying to use are quite staggering (but to be expected).
Koreans, Indians or Jews for that matter were never made to be slaves for going on 400 hundred years in recent history.
So, when you have another subset of people that have been made slaves for that period of time (not just indentured servitude) and want to try and draw some statistical inference then come back and try again.