Today's mass shooting in the US

C Kent said:
No one said if their God was 'telling them to go out and shoot people in the street'. Just someone that believes in a God.
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What on earth has a belief in a god got to do with anything except obfuscation? What we are talking about is a person that spent two weeks in a mental health facility, had made death threats and was "hearing voices".
 
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MartinPrince said:
Exactly! So I'll wait for Mr Wilson to answer as he asked the question - I didn't need you to explain anything to me, I understood perfectly.
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Albeit there are not many Americans here, but the many people on this very forum who take a seemingly unnatural interest in distant US laws and her constitution and its history have called people who voted for Brexit, pray to their God (Sky Pixie), support Donald Trump, vote Conservative / Republican, support Elon Musk or hold many other perfectly legal views, mentally deranged, ignorant, dangerous et cetera.

So I was just wondering if any people holding such views, should, in their opinion, be banned from owning a firearm?
 
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American denialists = "criminal will still gets guns" "what about knife crime in the UK"

Keep denying and not doing anything lets just watch your wild west show.

Not sure how you can sit there as a human being and be selfish knowing your love for guns and absoloute denial you block any kind of common sense out.

I said it years ago if Sandy hook never changed anything nothing will and that was pure sick.
 
SpellowHouse said:
When most of the American population have access to guns, it takes all 300 million to behave themselves all day, every day, to have no gun deaths. It only takes one to flip out for a few minutes, and you have a massacre.
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That's the point. In Britain few people owned guns in 1968 when the current Firearms Act became law. The proportion of the population who own them legally has further dwindled since then as it has become harder and harder and more expensive to get them. Whereas, in the USA they have more legally owned civilian guns than people. If they tried to control them Federally there (as strictly as they are controlled here) it would probably result in a civil war.

In a country where anyone (who wants one) can get a firearm it is sensible to be armed yourself so you have a chance if attacked with a gun. Does anyone really think that paranoid redneck MAGA gun owners will surrender their guns if the laws change there?

SpellowHouse said:
There are literally millions of people in the world with potentially dangerous mental issues. The problem is that 99.99% are functional, apparently normal people, and you wouldn't know them from any other law-abiding citizen. They are held in place by social pressures and the law.
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Statistically, mentally ill people are far more likely to be the victims of crime than the perpetrators of it. The sick thing about the USA is that they spend far more money on the Prison system than they spend on state-subsidized mental healthcare. If potentially dangerous mentally ill people were properly diagnosed and treated in an NHS-style system there then the risk of them going out and doing something horrendous with an easily obtained firearm would be massively reduced.

plasmahal said:
When will the British come together for the greater good and give up there Knives, if they don't make an effort now generations and families to come will suffer its just endless cycle every year.
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Knives are heavily restricted in public places in the UK. There is now a 4 year maximum prison sentence plus an unlimited fine for simple possession of a >3 inch bladed knife (or a <3 inch bladed locking knife) in a public place without a lawful excuse.

Flick knives (switchblades), butterfly knives, push-daggers, disguised knives etc have all been banned (for possession in public AND private places) for decades. They recently banned Katanas (Samurai swords) and are planning to ban machetes* next (even though they are useful gardening tools). Doctors were lobbying the government back in 2005 to ban long pointed kitchen knives and that call was recently taken up again by other respectable members of the establishment. The fact that making a long pointed kitchen knife out of a round-ended one would only require a bench grinder/angle grinder would seem to make this law rather pointless.

*Because machetes are currently the preferred weapon of gangs of young balaclava wearing robbers/drug dealers in London and other large cities. The fact that they are in the business of violent robbery, selling class A drugs and maiming/killing people would seem to negate the effectiveness of a ban on an iron-age era weapon in that group.
 
Broken Hope said:
Oh the whole everyone can buy guns so you should be able to have one too, yet no good guy with a gun stopped Robert Card did they?
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Good point. In a country where "we're safe because everyone is armed" you cannot have gun-free zones (like schools/malls/hospitals etc) because the spree-killers will just head for the nearest gun-free zone. You also cannot have a ban on open-carry of long-guns in public places (like they do in California for example). If you really want personal security through gun ownership then every fit* adult must be armed with a pistol and a rifle all the time everywhere. Letting them wear bullet proof vests in public would help too (this is currently illegal in many US states).

Now, I don't agree with any of this either, but that is the logical outcome of the Second Amendment.

*Not insane, no criminal record etc.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Albeit there are not many Americans here, but the many people on this very forum who take a seemingly unnatural interest in distant US laws and her constitution and its history have called people who voted for Brexit, pray to their God (Sky Pixie), support Donald Trump, vote Conservative / Republican, support Elon Musk or hold many other perfectly legal views, mentally deranged, ignorant, dangerous et cetera.

So I was just wondering if any people holding such views, should, in their opinion, be banned from owning a firearm?
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I understand what you were wondering, though when I was referring to "hearing voices" I was talking about the Maine perpetrator who was reported, along with his stay in a mental facility to have "heard voices".

As to what your were wondering I can't see why the people you mentioned should be precluded from owning a firearm. What do you think?
 
Maple Leaf said:
Flick knives (switchblades), butterfly knives, push-daggers, disguised knives etc have all been banned (for possession in public AND private places) for decades. They recently banned Katanas (Samurai swords) and are planning to ban machetes* next ...
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A katana (or Ken, as in Kendo) is not banned. It is restricted and you need good reason to buy or own one- membership of a martial arts club, for example.

I've been in training sessions where i've seen a few in use by senior grades. My old sensei used to bring his to training occasionally.

Weirdly, I'd rather face an amateur with a Ken than an amateur with a short knife. A Ken is fairly predictable.
 
potatolord said:
A katana (or Ken, as in Kendo) is not banned. It is restricted and you need good reason to buy or own one- membership of a martial arts club, for example.

I've been in training sessions where i've seen a few in use by senior grades. My old sensei used to bring his to training occasionally.

Weirdly, I'd rather face an amateur with a Ken than an amateur with a short knife. A Ken is fairly predictable.
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You cannot own one with a live-blade just as a wall hanger any more (unless it was manufactured before 1947). You have to use it in connection with being an active member of an "approved" martial arts club and give it up if you pack it in (otherwise the law would be a farce).

I'd be interested to know how they regulate the legal owners of restricted katanas. Do you have to formally apply to the Police and hold it on a modified firearm certificate, like they did with the existing owners of Brocock air-cartridge revolvers when they banned them back in 2004?

I wonder how many people were killed annually by murderers with katanas in the UK? I mean they aren't a very practical weapon for a street-criminal as they have zero concealability in a public place. I suspect MPs had seen too many scary Hollywood movies featuring them!
 
Maple Leaf said:
You cannot own one with a live-blade just as a wall hanger any more (unless it was manufactured before 1947). You have to use it in connection with being an active member of an "approved" martial arts club and give it up if you pack it in (otherwise the law would be a farce).

I'd be interested to know how they regulate the legal owners of restricted katanas. Do you have to formally apply to the Police and hold it on a modified firearm certificate, like they did with the existing owners of Brocock air-cartridge revolvers when they banned them back in 2004?

I wonder how many people were killed annually by murderers with katanas in the UK? I mean they aren't a very practical weapon for a street-criminal as they have zero concealability in a public place. I suspect MPs had seen too many scary Hollywood movies featuring them!
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I don't think my old sensei was registered with the police, well, he never mentioned that. He is a VERY high grade black belt and has been running a dojo for decades, so is about as qualified as you can get.

ONS produce stats which include death by bladed articles, but I don't think they break it by type/length.

Without wanting to sound too nob-ish, most amateurs are hilariously bad with swords. I'll convo you and explain why!
 
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