and it seems to me that the UK were alright w/ a bunch of dead kids being the catalyst they needed to pass gun laws here to virtually outlaw them. there's no other sensible reason for the lack of action etc on the lead up to thomas hamilton's killings.
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and it seems to me that the UK were alright w/ a bunch of dead kids being the catalyst they needed to pass gun laws here to virtually outlaw them. there's no other sensible reason for the lack of action etc on the lead up to thomas hamilton's killings.
Most of this is basically how we have it in the UK - some areas a little more strictly some less strictly (sometimes for practical reasons) and it pretty much works. Unfortunately it will never be a discussion in the US even though (and it wouldn't need a full implementation) measures along those lines would cut the number of firearms incidents by somewhere in the region of 75% in a relatively short space of time.
You're aware then that outside of metropolitan areas, it is basically impossible to function in American society without a car. Not that it changes how stupid your straw man is to begin with.
Thousands of dead children is worth your ability to have motorised personal transport?
Gun ownership isn't a problem in and of itself.
A culture that fetishises guns and killing fantasies isn't a problem in and of itself.
A broken healthcare system that fails deeply mentally unwell people....well that is a problem on it's own.
You put these issues together....and you get suicidal, mentally unstable people legally buying firearms and acting out shooting power fantasies in schools every week.
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You don't know what you're talking about. When I shoot paper targets I don't think "hmmm I wish this was a human who I can kill, and I'll get better in shooting people, and admire killing people. Man I wish those paper targets bled"
LOL.
Do you own any kitchen knives? Those are designed to kill, the first knives were used to kill, and they are a weapon of war.
So I guess you don't watch any war movies? If you watch Saving Private Ryan that means you relish in killing, I bet you wish you were a MG42 gunner, slaughtering all those on Normany.
Laughable excuses from someone who doesn't have a clue and is frightened by an inanimate object.
Comics have violence in them, you desire to have wolverine claws and want to gut people. They should be banned, and you should only read My Little Pony comics.
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So really we should stop discussing this in the terms that we always do. The argument is not "this is not a good enough reason to take away my right to own a gun", the argument is "this is not a good enough reason to make me fill in a bit more paperwork".
The only argument I can see in favour of the status quo is the concern that it's regulation by inches, that giving some ground will inevitably lead to an eventual ban. I'm still not sure that's a good reason, especially given that the weight of the 2nd amendment and the national gun lobby should stop that short.
I can understand the concerns even though I'm frustrated by the lack of action given how relatively simple the measures are that could have a huge impact.
You see some of the posts above and that is magnified in the anti-gun lobby - many of those with no interest in firearms just want a blanket ban and all guns gone no interest in anything else or discussion - giving up even an inch is a slippery slope.
The NRA will actively resist all of those steps as infringing on someone's second amendment rights and 'making a list so they know who to take the guns from first'. And when the NRA don't want laws passed, they don't pass, especially in a republican controlled house and senate.
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the thing about regulation by inches is that again, if you look at other countries with gun control, you don't see further gun regulation past the point where firearms cease to be a cause for public concern.
if school shootings were a regular occurrence in the uk you'd be damn sure the regulations would tighten up, but because there aren't there's no motivation to increase control further.
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Yeah thats basically it, if the US just tightened up its guns regulations a bit then it would at least help a little and the calls for a complete ban would ease.
But... instead its a stubborn no. Then another round of shootings, and more calls and more disgust all the time building until eventually something so bad will happen that they will be banned.
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s shooting up a school is no where near the level needed for this to eventually happen i have to wonder just what it will take before the low IQ gun brigade nutters finally cave in... it wont be pretty and is avoidable if the massively inflated egos just stop with the foot stamping nonsense and at least tried to find a flipping way out of this crazy mess the country is in.
But... instead its a stubborn no. Then another round of shootings, and more calls and more disgust all the time building until eventually something so bad will happen that they will be banned.
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s shooting up a school is no where near the level needed for this to eventually happen i have to wonder just what it will take before the low IQ gun brigade nutters finally cave in... it wont be pretty and is avoidable if the massively inflated egos just stop with the foot stamping nonsense and at least tried to find a flipping way out of this crazy mess the country is in.
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You might not be thinking that when you shoot paper targets, but what you are doing is practising the motions of killing. Because that's what a gun is for. Sole purpose.
The first knives were used to cut - mainly animal hides and meat. The fact that blades make efficient killing weapons is neither here nor there, since they have many functions. Surgery with an M4 would be much messier for a start.
I do own kitchen knives, I use them to cut vegetables. I don't own any serrated edge hunting knives - they make a mess of the carrots.
Watching war movies is the same as owning guns. Alrighty then
. Maybe like owning deactivated guns, but that's not what you were talking about, was it 
Cool. Unfortunately I'm too tall to be Wolverine. I like Stephen King too, if that helps? Amazingly, I'm still able to tell the difference between "real" and "imagination". Go figure.
I own a shotgun. It's licensed, I have regular visits from the Firearms officer, I keep it locked away in a hidden safe and my family have no idea where the keys are - oh, and my doctor knows too. Also, when I go for a round of sporting and shoot clays called "magpie" and "pigeon", I'm under no illusion that I'm doing anything other than pretending I'm killing birds. I enjoy my shooting, but have total respect for the fact that firearms are dangerous, and that owning it requires me to be responsible and safe.
I'm not sure such an event exists - in the last few months there have been several school shootings, mass shooting at Vegas, mass shooting at two churches in Texas, etc. etc.
oh cool, you used the "straw man" thing to fit in w/ all the other people who have suddenly started using it. shame you used it incorrectly though
and no it's not impossible, it's just far less convenient, just people like you can't be bothered and fall back on trying to use "straw man" type things to avoid addressing the point that you don'tNEED a car, you just want it for your life to be easier.
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Your prob right, we have seen hundreds of deaths in schools, parks, churches and all sorts of places where they shouldnt be.
I expect a hospital will be on the cards at some point, some nutter will run amok in one with an AR and kill dozens - i mean after shooting up a school you cant get much lower but the nutters will try.
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oh cool, you used the "straw man" thing to fit in w/ all the other people who have suddenly started using it. shame you used it incorrectly though
and no it's not impossible, it's just far less convenient, just people like you can't be bothered and fall back on trying to use "straw man" type things to avoid addressing the point that you don'tNEED a car, you just want it for your life to be easier.
You're right, it's not really a straw man, it's false equivalence. How did you guys even get to this argument? What has banning guns because of their involvement in school shootings got to do with banning cars? Unless the argument is that if you wish to ban A because it is dangerous, then you must also ban BCDEFGHI because they are also potentially dangerous, which would be a logical fallacy.
I don't really care, it just seems a bit of a useless distraction.
There is no point in using either common sense or rational ideas when dealing with a zealot.
You hear the same arguments over and over from the gun supporters; "a knife and a car are deadly weapons", yes but it's far easier to kill with a gun.
There's a portion of American society that are overly paranoid about their government, killing scores of kids is just the price they're willing to pay to fuel their paranoia.
I would just give every single American an assault rifle, in fact make it mandatory and watch the hilarity ensue.
There's a portion of American society that are overly paranoid about their government, killing scores of kids is just the price they're willing to pay to fuel their paranoia.
I would just give every single American an assault rifle, in fact make it mandatory and watch the hilarity ensue.
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A gun is noisy and runs out of ammo. It's harder to disarm someone with a gun than it is with someone with a knife.
I think what America needs is a yearly Purge type of affair. Where everyone gets a gun and only a gun and can go round each other for the lulz.
At least that way every year the idiots get cleaned out from society
At least that way every year the idiots get cleaned out from society