Today's mass shooting in the US

Its hilarious seeing the old argument about how cars also kill so we should ban them, i mean ... for god sake grow up.
They aint going to do anything so lets just all sit back and marvel at the naivety of the US and its population, give them a few hundred years of existence and they may become adults.
 
Its hilarious seeing the old argument about how cars also kill so we should ban them, i mean ... for god sake grow up.
They aint going to do anything so lets just all sit back and marvel at the naivety of the US and its population, give them a few hundred years of existence and they may become adults.

The USA won't last a few hundred years, the cracks are already there. I'm pretty sure I'll see the first state secede in my lifetime...the country is broken, seemingly irremediably so at this point. The political system is owned by big business and they won't let anyone endanger it.
 
Chance of getting an interesting response to such a retarded question is low....but ok.

No, because I need a car as performs several functions that are essential to life (in the US anyway), like getting to work, getting food etc etc.

I don't need guns, so I'm happy to not have them, if the price of having them is my kids being shot dead.

you don't NEED a car, there are plenty alternatives. a car is probably the most convenient.
 
Its hilarious seeing the old argument about how cars also kill so we should ban them, i mean ... for god sake grow up.
what's "grow up" about it? how many people are killed on roads? how many times has a car/lorry been used as a weapon by being driven deliberately into crowds? how many more times will it happen, since it's been shown multiple times now to be effective and very easy to accomplish? do you think it's a stupid proposal because you have a car and don't have a gun and therefore one ban would affect you and the other wouldn't?
 
If your seriously asking that question then go have a word with yourself..

lol at comparing an AR-15 assault rifle with a Ford Fiesta.

It's these sorts of utterly senseless strawman comparisons that is why America can't make progress on their gun legislation. Thankfully, like most advanced nations, we have been able to implement common sense gun laws that balance off the freedoms of individuals to responsibly own firearms, with the freedoms of others to not be shot at the age of 14 attending their local high school.
 
In a DUI, we blame the driver. In a bombing, we blame the bomber. In a shooting, we blame the gun?

It's these sorts of silly sound bites which everyone thinks sound great, but when you analyse them in detail, they really are just silly sound bites. I can't believe i'm even having to reply to this but...

A) Cars are not made as weapons. You can't stop the sale of cars because the legitimate uses and necessity of motorvehicles, in their native form, to the correct functioning of our entire society, utterly, grossly, outweigh the drawbacks of people using them as a weapon. It's a bit like questioning why we haven't banned knives in order to combat knife crime - it's the exact same principle. If these ramraid incidents became such a big problem that there were 14,000 killed a year from them and 29,000 injured (as there was in the USA in 2017), and we *could* get rid of cars and there be little to no impact on people's lives, then sure go for it. But you obviously knew the answer to this question, you were being obtuse.

B) If I could buy a some plastic explosive from my local Wal-Mart, for a couple of hundred dollars - perhaps people would blame the fact that I could by a chunk of C4 alongside my groceries.

C) People blame how easy it is to get hold of the gun, in combination with how deadly that gun could be if someone wanted to go postal. And there are a lot of crazy people who are waiting to. A gun does has legitimate uses (police, armed forces, hunting), but the vast majority of people will own a gun either because they like guns or because they need it for "self defence" because they're worried about the amount of gun violence in their city. Gun violence which is so prevalent because....you guessed it, too many people have access to firearms who have no legitimate use for them.
 
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It's these sorts of silly sound bites which everyone thinks sound great, but when you analyse them in detail, they really are just silly sound bites. I can't believe i'm even having to reply to this but...

A) Cars are not made as weapons. You can't stop the sale of cars because the legitimate uses and necessity of motorvehicles, in their native form, to the correct functioning of our entire society, utterly, grossly, outweigh the drawbacks of people using them as a weapon. It's a bit like questioning why we haven't banned knives in order to combat knife crime - it's the exact same principle. If these ramraid incidents became such a big problem that there were 14,000 killed a year from them and 29,000 injured (as there was in the USA in 2017), and we *could* get rid of cars and there be little to no impact on people's lives, then sure go for it. But you obviously knew the answer to this question, you were being obtuse.

B) If I could buy a some plastic explosive from my local Wal-Mart, for a couple of hundred dollars - perhaps people would blame the fact that I could by a chunk of C4 alongside my groceries.

C) People blame how easy it is to get hold of the gun, in combination with how deadly that gun could be if someone wanted to go postal. And there are a lot of crazy people who are waiting to. A gun does has legitimate uses (police, armed forces, hunting), but the vast majority of people will own a gun either because they like guns or because they need it for "self defence" because they're worried about the amount of gun violence in their city. Gun violence which is so prevalent because....you guessed it, too many people have access to firearms who have no legitimate use for them.

No its a completely valid point.

Also, in a stabbing. We blame the stabber. Not the knife.

In an arson case. We blame the person who started the fire. Not the fuel and match!

These could go on all day.

Stop trying to take Americans guns off them because of a few nuts, ffs.
 
Also I have no idea where you get the idea that you can just walk into a shop in the US and buy a gun without ID and a criminal background check. That is fake news if I've ever heard it and its just not the way it is over there.
 
No its a completely valid point.

Also, in a stabbing. We blame the stabber. Not the knife.

In an arson case. We blame the person who started the fire. Not the fuel and match!

These could go on all day.

Stop trying to take Americans guns off them because of a few nuts, ffs.

*sigh* I can really understand how the only time you ever used to see Obama frustrated was when he was talking about gun control. There is just no intelligent debate with people who think that buying a box of matches is the same as buying an assault rifle.

Oh and by the way, before you start banging on about "fake news", no politician who is in a position even attempt to make a change to gun legislation has ever suggested taking guns off people - only having common sense gun controls.
 
people can happily live their lives whilst never even seeing a gun, how many people do the same whilst also never using a knife, or some form of motorised transport?

I'm just annoyed that the Clown has brought us down to having to argue the benefits of a car over an assault rifle.
 
*sigh* I can really understand how the only time you ever used to see Obama frustrated was when he was talking about gun control. There is just no intelligent debate with people who think that buying a box of matches is the same as buying an assault rifle.

Oh and by the way, before you start banging on about "fake news", no politician who is in a position even attempt to make a change to gun legislation has ever suggested taking guns off people - only having common sense gun controls.

Common sense gun controls already exist.....
 
Also I have no idea where you get the idea that you can just walk into a shop in the US and buy a gun without ID and a criminal background check. That is fake news if I've ever heard it and its just not the way it is over there.

No one said anything about ID (oh noes, here's my driving licence) or background checks (which are obviously so extensive that they missed Cruz's warning signs).

What happens if I buy a gun from one of my mates privately? Or I commit a burglary and I steal one?
 
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