Their attitude is consistent on both. You have the freedom to own a gun or not own a gun, it's your choice. On medical care you can have the absolute best care available or nothing at all, again it's your choice. Personal freedom is the basis of their culture.
Today's mass shooting in the US
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Their attitude is consistent on both. You have the freedom to own a gun or not own a gun, it's your choice. On medical care you can have the absolute best care available or nothing at all, again it's your choice. Personal freedom is the basis of their culture.
True, but they ( the voice ) have the option to change things.
Until then, they might aswell start digging half a dozen new graves a week for schoolkids.
Land of the free and all that....
Why is it so hard for sanctimonious brits to understand? Guns aren't a hobby or sport here, it's considered a human right. Self-defense is an individual human right going up to defense from a tyrannical government.
The gun lobby spends barely anything compared to the other lobbies. What politicians are scared of is the 4 or 5 million single-issue voting NRA members, the other 20 odd million who distrust even the NRA and don't want to be on a "list". And the other 20 odd million who have a couple guns lying around but can't be bothered with the drama and don't make much noise.
I'm sure the FBI and NSA have analyzed the "chatter" and advised the government that it's not worth perusing because there is a decent chance they would end up swinging from lamp posts for their efforts. Yes you could sneak in a useless cosmetic assault weapon ban that expired after 10 years... before the internet existed. Or in liberal states people can just move away from. In the red states the laws are getting laxer.
The last time the government made grumbles about it, everyone bought enough guns and ammo to arm themselves, their kids and their grand kids.
Banning guns in America would involve bringing in a foreign military to do it because the US military all own private guns and their family members all own guns.
Trying to change or delete the second amendment is the reason why the second amendment exists.
If you're scared of guns don't come here. It's none of your business.
The gun lobby spends barely anything compared to the other lobbies. What politicians are scared of is the 4 or 5 million single-issue voting NRA members, the other 20 odd million who distrust even the NRA and don't want to be on a "list". And the other 20 odd million who have a couple guns lying around but can't be bothered with the drama and don't make much noise.
I'm sure the FBI and NSA have analyzed the "chatter" and advised the government that it's not worth perusing because there is a decent chance they would end up swinging from lamp posts for their efforts. Yes you could sneak in a useless cosmetic assault weapon ban that expired after 10 years... before the internet existed. Or in liberal states people can just move away from. In the red states the laws are getting laxer.
The last time the government made grumbles about it, everyone bought enough guns and ammo to arm themselves, their kids and their grand kids.
Banning guns in America would involve bringing in a foreign military to do it because the US military all own private guns and their family members all own guns.
Trying to change or delete the second amendment is the reason why the second amendment exists.
If you're scared of guns don't come here. It's none of your business.
They don't want to change, they're proud of their ability to own firearms, it's an important right. Plus outlawing them isn't even realistic, way too many people own them, way too many would rather die than hand them in, there's hundreds of millions of firearms in the US, the Horse has bolted.
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Isn't that kind of thinking part of the problem? Clearly the solution isn't to do nothing.
Trump clearly isn't going to do anything anyway given his reversal of the mental health policy, and even if he wanted to wouldn't get anywhere. It needs to come from the will of the people but it seems they're too culturally entrenched and essentially indoctrination from birth with the 2nd amendment.
Trump clearly isn't going to do anything anyway given his reversal of the mental health policy, and even if he wanted to wouldn't get anywhere. It needs to come from the will of the people but it seems they're too culturally entrenched and essentially indoctrination from birth with the 2nd amendment.
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Trump is more interested in trying to use the tragedy to deflect blame from himself:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43102312
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43102312
Nothing surprises me with him any more. I don’t think he could sink any lower.
It’s like when he used a train derailment to promote his infrastructure proposals before even giving condolences to those involved.
He’s a psychopath, and by that I mean the clinical definition, not just “a nutter”.
well said.
Thing that gets me about this is this
Guns have always been readily available in the USA
And yet these sorts of mass shootings are a comparatively recent phenomena.
So what has changed? There has always been the possibility of people doing things like this and yet, in the past, it was actually very rare for people to actually do it.
It is like Knife crime in the UK, Schoolboys (And Girls) back in the 60's always had knives in their pockets and yet nobody ever got stabbed.
And like with knives in the UK, it is easy to concentrate on the tool rather than the perpetrator and therefore perhaps fail to investigate underlying causes.
Guns have always been readily available in the USA
And yet these sorts of mass shootings are a comparatively recent phenomena.
So what has changed? There has always been the possibility of people doing things like this and yet, in the past, it was actually very rare for people to actually do it.
It is like Knife crime in the UK, Schoolboys (And Girls) back in the 60's always had knives in their pockets and yet nobody ever got stabbed.
And like with knives in the UK, it is easy to concentrate on the tool rather than the perpetrator and therefore perhaps fail to investigate underlying causes.
You currently have one, where are all your defenders marching gun in hand to Washington?
Your all in McDonald's getting more obese and reminding each other how free you are whilst your kids die at school. Your society is utterly broken and your perspective is skewed.
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We're showing the concern a parent would show its child, we see america has problems, big problems, quite literally children are dying because of those problems.
We've had those problems, as has every other civilised nation on earth, and we fixed them, and yet we see america stumbling around trying to figure out how to fix their problem when the answer is evident.
Of course we arent telling america what to do, we're just grumbling at it's inability to take a very short look at the rest of the world and figure out the obvious.
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I know, your children getting killed by your own guns is none of my business, and as it appears, none of yours either.
I remember watching an interview (might have been just after Columbine) with one of the FBI's leading forensic profilers that high profile media coverage was a major part of glorifying (and thus propagating) these events. So far he's been proven right.
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I’m sure if a plane falls out of the sky and people die it will be on the news headline and it planes falls out of the sky 3 times a week they would be on the news endlessly and I would no doubt the people would want changes. Whatever it has been doing clearly isn’t working.
Dead people gets headlines, what do you propose the press do? Not report it? Don’t let the dead be heard?
LolKwerk.
It’s people like you and your mindset that’s the problem in America
. Lol at calling us sanctimonious lol, look at how sanctimonious you Americans are before pointing fingers at others.
A plane falling out of the sky isn't comparable with the execution of school children. We see the same happening with idiots on YouTube, some people crave attention and there are more than enough equivalent idiots who aspire to be those idiots. Take someone who has been ignored or shunned by society, especially someone with 'problems' who might feel their self-worth and self-esteem is so low they don't want to go on anymore, then they see these mass shootings and the media frenzy plastering photos of the attacker/s all over the news for days/weeks on end...do they blow their brains out isolated in their bedroom, or do they make a decision to go out in blaze of glory slaughtering others so that their name will live forever more in history?
I think the amount of guns combined with what looks like a significant mental health problem is the cause. I noticed when I was in the states last year there were a lot of what I can only describe as nutters. I saw a homeless guy in San Francisco walking around the street pretending to shoot people. The way he was doing it was like he was a former soldier and he was hallucinating that he was on a battlefield somewhere. Was pretty terrifying seeing somebody like that in a country where guns are so easily obtained
But again, this has been the case in the US for, well, ever.
This I think is more the key to the issue.
Perhaps it isnt the Second amendment that the USA has a problem with. Maybe it is the First! :/