Today's mass shooting in the US

Screeeech said:
Interesting how all the initial reports were that the gunman was of middle eastern origin and had a black beard,

Turns out that the shooter was a white former marine of US origin, interesting how this often happens - I suspect the media make it up to spice up the story and get more click revenue.
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Sky News reported that witnesses described him as that
 
Certain news and "alternative" news outlets always spread the "brown shooter" narrative. We should be used to it by now.

A terrible do though, sounds like the shooter had serious mental health issues.
 
Yadda said:
Certain news and "alternative" news outlets always spread the "brown shooter" narrative. We should be used to it by now.
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Yup, it's a choreographed boiler room type deal.

And it works. I mean, obviously the truth comes out later, but it doesn't matter. The fear of the brown man, or just fear of the 'other', has been reinforced in the minds of many.
 
cheesyboy said:
Yup, it's a choreographed boiler room type deal.

And it works. I mean, obviously the truth comes out later, but it doesn't matter. The fear of the brown man, or just fear of the 'other', has been reinforced in the minds of many.
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Exactly. One of the oldest tricks in the book.
 
Roar87 said:
Sky News reported that witnesses described him as that
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As you were very quick to relay to us.

(edit - apologies, I thought it was you that reported the sky details)

They really do have to get skin colour ascertained more quickly don't they?

So that we can all know whether to offer apoplectic indignant outrage, or hopes & prayers.
 
I'm sorry but hundreds of kids die every days in Africa because lack of water,food, medicine killed or killed by warlords... no body gives a ****. So why would we care about probably staged shooting in USA?
 
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Johno please? said:
If I lived in the states I wouldn't give much care for their so called "gun free zones" because all the mass shootings happen in them.
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Really?

Like the guy last week who shot several people in a store that specifically allowed open carry?
Or where the shooter goes for the armed security first?
Or where the police nearly (or do) shoot the armed non shooters, and waste a lot of time trying to work out which of the people with a gun was shooting and who where they shooting at?

It's a myth the NRA seem to love to push that the shootings happen in "gun free zones", in reality it doesn't make much difference, except in terms of how easy it is for the police to work out who is the shooter, and how much of a chance you stand of getting hit by a poorly trained, panicky "defender" who has bought a gun but doesn't know how to use it in that situation.
 
Werewolf said:
Really?

Like the guy last week who shot several people in a store that specifically allowed open carry?
Or where the shooter goes for the armed security first?
Or where the police nearly (or do) shoot the armed non shooters, and waste a lot of time trying to work out which of the people with a gun was shooting and who where they shooting at?

It's a myth the NRA seem to love to push that the shootings happen in "gun free zones", in reality it doesn't make much difference, except in terms of how easy it is for the police to work out who is the shooter, and how much of a chance you stand of getting hit by a poorly trained, panicky "defender" who has bought a gun but doesn't know how to use it in that situation.
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That's why you would train, and train, and train until you're like bloody john wick with that thing, I would anyway.

Great anecdotes, (ok I didn't literally mean all of them) I could probably list equal or more that happen in gun free zones though. So you wouldn't want a gun on you if someone walks into a bar and starts opening fire?
 
wordy said:
I take it now isn’t the time to discuss gun control.
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You'd be accused of politicising such a horrific incident. However, you can bet your butt that if it were a Middle-Eastern person who had carried it out, it'd be out there pretty quick. Well, it was, although incorrect (deliberate or otherwise).

You see, if you really boiled it down to the lowest common denominator, ignoring the fact they need a gun, it is the white male who is responsible for the majority of mass shootings:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

I suspect that mass shootings are less a function of poverty than mental health or just sheer nastiness. However, I would argue that those who do do commit terrorist acts have a damn good chance of having mental health or learning difficulties. It's just that nobody is arsed about that as some pawn yelled "Allah" before detonating himself.

However, that is unpalatable for a certain demographic. It is still the Middle-Easterners who get the travel ban, Blacks and Hispanics who are the bogeymen. The real issue is the society in which people live in, poor access to health care and a drive towards further individualism, isolation and alienation.
 
Johno please? said:
That's why you would train, and train, and train until you're like bloody john wick with that thing, I would anyway.

Great anecdotes, (ok I didn't literally mean all of them) I could probably list equal or more that happen in gun free zones though. So you wouldn't want a gun on you if someone walks into a bar and starts opening fire?
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Doesn't help much though if you don't have time to react - the shooter already has an advantage because they know what they are doing and probably has gone for their gun long before you do especially if you are say sitting at a restaurant or bar with your back to where the shooter comes from, etc. then there is the problem of identifying and engaging the shooter which in a confused situation is often not clear cut at all - especially if someone else pulls out their gun to engage the shooter and you can't immediately tell them apart from the shooter and so on.
 
Rroff said:
Doesn't help much though if you don't have time to react - the shooter already has an advantage because they know what they are doing and probably has gone for their gun long before you do especially if you are say sitting at a restaurant or bar with your back to where the shooter comes from, etc. then there is the problem of identifying and engaging the shooter which in a confused situation is often not clear cut at all - especially if someone else pulls out their gun to engage the shooter and you can't immediately tell them apart from the shooter and so on.
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You're not allowed to take your firearm with you into a bar or restaurant serving alcohol in most if not all states. For obvious reasons... I'm not sure of the legality of what would happen if you did and took out the shooter, being that you illegally had your firearm with you. They seem to be pretty strict on gunlaws when you're not allowed. Example a women fired off a couple of warning shots to her aggressive husband and got 20yrs or something.
 
There's no point debating anyway, apparently unless you can eradicate the threat from too many guns completely and overnight, there's no point in doing anything anyway.
 
thedoc46 said:
You're not allowed to take your firearm with you into a bar or restaurant serving alcohol in most if not all states. For obvious reasons... I'm not sure of the legality of what would happen if you did and took out the shooter, being that you illegally had your firearm with you. They seem to be pretty strict on gunlaws when you're not allowed. Example a women fired off a couple of warning shots to her aggressive husband and got 20yrs or something.
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Some states you are allowed if you aren't drinking, other states have pretty extreme implementations where technically it is illegal to have a firearm on your person or even in the vehicle if you are going to or from a place serving alcohol whether you drink or not :s
 
I wonder how many pages this thread will last before the US sees some proper action...

The USA is a disgrace regarding their arms laws.
 
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