Today's mass shooting in the US

It’s quite funny how it was assumed that the guy was Middle Eastern and had a beard. But turns out to be one of America’s finest aka marine :/.

But yet Americans are more scared of brown coloured people of a certain religion even though it’s been a while since a muslim decided to carry out a terrorist attack.
 
By complete coincidence I just listened to the below track which really is quite enlightening as to the mentality of some...

It has to be heard to be believed.

 
Rroff said:
Doesn't help much though if you don't have time to react - the shooter already has an advantage because they know what they are doing and probably has gone for their gun long before you do especially if you are say sitting at a restaurant or bar with your back to where the shooter comes from, etc. then there is the problem of identifying and engaging the shooter which in a confused situation is often not clear cut at all - especially if someone else pulls out their gun to engage the shooter and you can't immediately tell them apart from the shooter and so on.
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Well sure theres a million different scenarios, but my point still stands, I would rather be armed and have a chance than be a sitting duck and have no chance.
 
simpletom said:
You'd be accused of politicising such a horrific incident. However, you can bet your butt that if it were a Middle-Eastern person who had carried it out, it'd be out there pretty quick. Well, it was, although incorrect (deliberate or otherwise).

You see, if you really boiled it down to the lowest common denominator, ignoring the fact they need a gun, it is the white male who is responsible for the majority of mass shootings:

I suspect that mass shootings are less a function of poverty than mental health or just sheer nastiness. However, I would argue that those who do do commit terrorist acts have a damn good chance of having mental health or learning difficulties. It's just that nobody is arsed about that as some pawn yelled "Allah" before detonating himself.
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Sure mass shootings, nearly always white males.... terrorism however, well one Religion has a monoploy on that.

Not a week will go past without some kind of atrocity in the middle east, asia or africa carried out by some Islamist. You just wont hear about it from our main stream media because its too common. Unless 25+ people get killed or something, then suddenly theyre interested.
 
A week? More like a day. Theres so many we only hear about the worst ones.

Africa is especially bad and getting worse. All the aid money we've been pouring in for decades only seems to have paid for more violence.
 
Sure lets ignore the Russian Orthodox terrorists, the Ugandan Christian terrorists, terrorists in the Philippines and Indonesia, Christian terrorists in India, lovely Mr Breivik in Norway, massive growth of terrorists in China regardless of creed.

There's no civil war between Christian denominations like there is between Sunni's and Shia's, so i imagine it's pretty nominal once you account for that. The take away from this is that organised religion is malevolent.

As soon as you make any political concessions whether it be mere tax exemptions to outright state intervention, you'll get people who push it violently. /don't give me the boring crap about Islam being political, they all are.
 
Did anyone see that news report video of a young woman who got out safely, the reporter was asking her what she saw and what weapon was used and she said a pistol, semi automatic, then went on to say possibly a 40...I had to search what the term 40 even meant, it just goes to show how well Americans know the types of guns. Crazy.
 
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Johno please? said:
Sure mass shootings, nearly always white males.... terrorism however, well one Religion has a monoploy on that.

Not a week will go past without some kind of atrocity in the middle east, Asia or Africa carried out by some Islamist. You just wont hear about it from our main stream media because its too common. Unless 25+ people get killed or something, then suddenly theyre interested.
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The only reason why more of this doesn't happen in the West is because our security services are actually quite good at monitoring and tracking this sort of thing and stopping it before it happens.

Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to monitor or track lone crazys.

But you can be sure that but for the success of the security services these atrocities would be just as commonplace in the USA/Europe.

Absence of events =/= Absence of intents!
 
StriderX said:
Sure lets ignore the Russian Orthodox terrorists, the Ugandan Christian terrorists, terrorists in the Philippines and Indonesia, Christian terrorists in India, lovely Mr Breivik in Norway, massive growth of terrorists in China regardless of creed.

There's no civil war between Christian denominations like there is between Sunni's and Shia's, so i imagine it's pretty nominal once you account for that. The take away from this is that organised religion is malevolent.

As soon as you make any political concessions whether it be mere tax exemptions to outright state intervention, you'll get people who push it violently. /don't give me the boring crap about Islam being political, they all are.
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Can you show us some links to these, preferably recent ones? Breivik is an obvious one but that was a rather isolated/one off event (touch wood).
 
Roar87 said:
Can you show us some links to these, preferably recent ones? Breivik is an obvious one but that was a rather isolated/one off event (touch wood).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaga - https://www.dawn.com/news/908795/christian-militia-kills-five-muslims-in-philippines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Walisongo_school_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Council_of_Nagaland, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manmasi_National_Christian_Army_(MNCA) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagber_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Lightning

I certainly won't be looking at datasets from these countries for the next several hours trying to prove how many incidents they commit, i consider the last 20 years recent as well. Oh and they need not be murders, any crime committed by them is a terrorist act.
 
VincentHanna said:
Well that's not the "only reason", there are many factors.

Bit easier to get hold of weapons in Africa than the UK for instance.
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The monitoring of weapons movements is part of the security services operation of course.

And there is no shortage of weapons in the USA so other techniques must be being used as well ("Person of Interest" ??)
 
VincentHanna said:
Well that's not the "only reason", there are many factors.

Bit easier to get hold of weapons in Africa than the UK for instance.
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One of the biggest differences is Muslims are actually more intent on fighting each other than they are concerned about the west or Christianity.
Up to 97% of all Muslim terrorist deaths are against other Muslims, and they are happening in the ME, not Europe or the US.
 
Final Destination strikes again

A man who survived a mass shooting in Las Vegas last year was among those killed in Wednesday's attack in California, his family says.

Telemachus Orfanos, 27, died alongside 11 others when a man opened fire at the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, north-west of Los Angeles.
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I know mass shootings aren't exactly rare in the US, but that's unlucky to survive one and then get killed by another
 
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