Today's mass shooting in the US

Freakbro said:
I know mass shootings aren't exactly rare in the US, but that's unlucky to survive one and then get killed by another
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Yeah, that is unbelievably bad luck. There's another instance like that but these guys survived twice.

One survivor said he and his friends also escaped death last year in the deadliest US mass shooting of modern times, when a gunman killed 58 people at a Las Vegas country music concert. Nicholas Champion told CBS News: "We're all a big family and unfortunately this family got hit twice."
 
The north carolina incident is a false alarm it was a heating system fault. The radiators should all be armed so they can fire on the one making gun noises "NRA" spokesman says.
 
Marky said:
I wonder how many pages this thread will last before the US sees some proper action...

The USA is a disgrace regarding their arms laws.
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It'll never get better. The cat is out of the bag. Too many guns in circulation. No-one is going to voluntarily hand in their guns. Besides which 60% believe its their constitutional right to own a firearm. So no politician is going to ever be able to change things. If they could have, they would have after Sandy Hook. Even if they did, still too many guns in circulation. Criminals are not going to hand in their guns. The UK only had a small ownership so it was easy to round them up and the voice was too small to resist. Every country has its issues. UK, can't ride a motorbike into London without acid being thrown in your face and it stolen... The US you risk getting shot. Either or, both unlikely to happen to you in particular, but will often happen to someone and be in the news.
 
I'll just leave this here.

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FTM said:
it does for us...not for americans though

this is what they are prepared to sacrifice

after they could stomach Sandyhook they could stomach anything..that was the point if they were ever going to change...and they didnt...so screw them..this is entirely of their own making
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As usual it's worth pointing out that the MAJORITY want stricter gun rules. Unfortunately a minority of people are the ones government are listening to at the moment, which is why nothing is done. Most Americans are pretty sensible on this matter.
 
Evangelion said:
I'll just leave this here.

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You post much better calibre stuff than I ever do, but this looks a bit shonky. I think the ordering by "Strictness of Gun Laws" gives this data the illusion of a higher degree of correlation than perhaps is the case.
 
I think we have to be careful when throwing out numbers as the number doesn't show the whole picture. Most deaths involving firearms are from suicides.

According to the https://www.gunpolicy.org website, the total gun deaths in the US in 2016 was 11.96 of person 100,000 population. But that number broken down says homicides accounted for 4.62 while suicides were nearly twice as much at 7.10.

What is more interesting is the US isn't alone in the suicide rates accounting for more deaths than homicides. If we look at this wiki page every western country is the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
 
garnett said:
You post much better calibre stuff than I ever do, but this looks a bit shonky. I think the ordering by "Strictness of Gun Laws" gives this data the illusion of a higher degree of correlation than perhaps is the case.
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Roar87 said:
You're telling me the number of gun deaths per 100k in California is just over 0.2? Try something like 7.9 per 100k. Those stats are way off, it's not even close either.
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If you read the chart carefully, you'll notice that it says 'the total deaths per 100K residents and the Brady State Score have been normalized for comparison.'

Normalisation is an essential tool in the study of statistics.

What's a stringency score?
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Measures how strict the gun laws are.

Meanwhile...

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BowdonUK said:
Most deaths involving firearms are from suicides.

According to the https://www.gunpolicy.org website, the total gun deaths in the US in 2016 was 11.96 of person 100,000 population. But that number broken down says homicides accounted for 4.62 while suicides were nearly twice as much at 7.10.

What is more interesting is the US isn't alone in the suicide rates accounting for more deaths than homicides. If we look at this wiki page every western country is the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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Thanks, I'll chuck that straight into the 'So what?' basket. Tighter gun laws would reduce both statistics.

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Blue bars represent states where gun control increased.
 
Evangelion said:
Meanwhile...

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So Gun deaths in Oz were falling before the gun-laws were introduced and continued to fall at much the same rate afterwards until they got to a, seemingly irreducible, 230/Year.

As far as I can see, Stricter gun laws actually had no real effect at all on the already established trend.

Claiming that they generated some sort of incredible result seems a very questionable claim.

(You know, Like how "Speed cameras save lives-etc")
 
Evangelion said:
Thanks, I'll chuck that straight into the 'So what?' basket. Tighter gun laws would reduce both statistics.

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Blue bars represent states where gun control increased.
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Yes, but what happened to the overall suicide rate. You cant claim that "Gun control reduces Suicides" if people just go on to off themselves by some other method!
 
Isn't the point not to reduce gun deaths, but to prove that removing guns save lives overall? Citing gun deaths isn't even relevant, it's the overall homicide rate that we want to come down. If you removed cars and replaced them with scooters, you'd see less car accidents, but if people were dying on scooters at an equal rate you haven't really achieved anything. Has the overall murder/suicide rate decreased in places that have introduced stricter gun laws, if so have they decreased at a greater rate than areas that haven't done that?
 
@Evangelion

I was making the point that posting a high gun death figure without it acknowledging that the majority of those deaths came by suicide, means that people will be walking around thinking the area is unsafe and that the figure represents only murders.

It's like if my town had 30 deaths by gun, but 20 of them came from people killing themselves, then it means the true public interest figure really is 10.

I think the more serious question is why are most gun deaths because of suicide only in western countries!?
 
BowdonUK said:
@Evangelion
I think the more serious question is why are most gun deaths because of suicide only in western countries!?
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increased stress in the working environment, the internet opening us up to more stress creating scenarios (social media etc), the widespread media plugging clickbait stories to incite worry, a lack of support for mental health at every level from nhs funding to societal acceptance of things like depression, the modern work environment moving from manual to intellectual leaving many workers (especially educated workers) in the 9-5 sitting staring at a computer screen environment meaning a lack of exercise, advertising everywhere reminding us that we could have it so much better.
 
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