Tommy Robinson quits the EDL
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Recent being a word used in that post.
Also siding with one side in a civil war (which I agree atrocities occurred in) to sides with aligning political views meets part of the criteria for "political reasons".
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Firstly... it's a suspension.
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He was suspended for what it says in yellow, and not his opinion per se. (Not the first time he's been abusive in this thread).
Thirdly, freedom of speech? This is a forum that you sign up to and AGREE TO THE RULES. This is not a democracy.
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If he was non white then it would be ok, because he is white he is an easy target. If a white person can not speak up about certain issues then this country is lost.
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Yep
But plenty of intellectuals (some of which are white) do speak up on the matter & are not denied the right to speech.
Dawkins, Hitchens & Harris have all spoken at length about some of the genuine concerns related to religious zealotry (including that displayed in Islam).
The key difference being the discussions they take part in are not some thin veil to excuse xenophobia & bigotry. I've posted at length on the very subject & never been suspended or faced any negative consequences of doing some for the same reason.
Dawkins, Hitchens & Harris have all spoken at length about some of the genuine concerns related to religious zealotry (including that displayed in Islam).
The key difference being the discussions they take part in are not some thin veil to excuse xenophobia & bigotry. I've posted at length on the very subject & never been suspended or faced any negative consequences of doing some for the same reason.
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LOL! Well there you have it guys we are not living in a democracy, Scougar says so.
spoken like a true Muslim.
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LOL! Well there you have it guys we are not living in a democracy, Scougar says so.
I'm sorry... do you 'live' on this forum? This is where you are posting your opinion and you have agreed to the rules of being a participant. Take your pathetic reply and try to be more constructive with your next one.
I gave you a clear answer explaining why you were wrong.
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The ironic thing about Rofflay's argument is that if he was a muslim, he would probably be a fundamentalist.
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Nigel Farage speaking the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ySwE7XISk8
I have issues with UKIP but this is just one reason why I'm seriously considering giving them my vote now. Britain is waking up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ySwE7XISk8
I have issues with UKIP but this is just one reason why I'm seriously considering giving them my vote now. Britain is waking up.
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Terrible interview on all counts.
Interviewer is using a tone that is trying to make the topic controversial before it even gets that way. Nigel speaking over people, the lady speaking over him. Not to mention only one side of the argument in the video that was shown on the show.
I think the whole veil issue is difficult because you want to respect people's issues, but we don't want to see women oppressed and treated as 2nd class citizen's. In some ways I actually agree with the idea of not having it as the pressure to fit in, might be exceptionally high. On the other hand, why should we interfere in a particular culture or religion as such, and respect people's beliefs. Personally, I'm divided on the issue rather than merely sitting on the fence.
If this is considered a stepping stone to a law regarding hoods, excessive face coverings etc (think parties) etc... then it could be an issue (Stranger things have happened in UK law).
I don't think the UK is waking up at all, I think the majority don't really care.
Interviewer is using a tone that is trying to make the topic controversial before it even gets that way. Nigel speaking over people, the lady speaking over him. Not to mention only one side of the argument in the video that was shown on the show.
I think the whole veil issue is difficult because you want to respect people's issues, but we don't want to see women oppressed and treated as 2nd class citizen's. In some ways I actually agree with the idea of not having it as the pressure to fit in, might be exceptionally high. On the other hand, why should we interfere in a particular culture or religion as such, and respect people's beliefs. Personally, I'm divided on the issue rather than merely sitting on the fence.
If this is considered a stepping stone to a law regarding hoods, excessive face coverings etc (think parties) etc... then it could be an issue (Stranger things have happened in UK law).
I don't think the UK is waking up at all, I think the majority don't really care.
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The choice to wear a veil is one that I really really struggle with, on one hand I find the whole idea absolutely abhorrent, both from an idea of a patriarchic religion oppressing women and the quasi supposed modesty presented by women who smugly proclaim their purity and try and laud their mentally ill religious beliefs over others.
On the other freedom of thought...
On the other freedom of thought...
LOL what in gods name happened in here....oh silly me, soon as muslims/islam was mentioned all hell broke loose.
Shame Rofflay was suspended as ive been laughing so very very hard at his utter ignorance and stupidity when talking about Islam/muslims.
The funny thing is the amount of ignorance he was been spouting off with regards to islam/muslims makes him sound like an extremist himself.
....oh silly me, soon as muslims/islam was mentioned all hell broke loose.Shame Rofflay was suspended as ive been laughing so very very hard at his utter ignorance and stupidity when talking about Islam/muslims.
The funny thing is the amount of ignorance he was been spouting off with regards to islam/muslims makes him sound like an extremist himself.
Sorry just noticed this. I haven't, I was joking more than anything, I did have a strange feeling that I felt you seemed to be turning on some immigration issues, perhaps wrong, so went in for the lols. I can't recall you being racist at all, I do seem to remember something you said on immigration that made me think of an opinion hardening but can't really remember. It was tongue in cheek, but you are obviously not too impressed, which I can understand, so sorry RDM I didn't mean to offend or upset.
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You didn't see what he wrote, but you're going to say I'm incorrect to suspend him anyway?
Brilliant logic, that.
Those are fairly recent, I didn't mention WW2 as I didn't consider it to be recent in that context... though I guess this is subjective... you've not got much of a sample to choose from if 'recent' means closer in time than those... You might as well have said 'I don't think Iraq and Afghanistan were ethical and bombing Libya dubious' - you can say almost any action taken by a govt has 'political reasons'... it doesn't negate those actions from being moral/ethical... I don't see a huge issue with any of the four military actions I listed
Apology accepted, as I said, I am pretty tired at the moment so not picking up on humour.
My views on immigration are somewhat more nuanced than "It's good!" or "It's bad!". Whilst immigration does have an overall positive impact to the UK economically it would be wrong to suggest that it doesn't have a negative impact on some socio economic groups. If you rely on low skilled labour as your main source of income then the influx of cheap European labour will have had a downward effect on wages and will make it much harder to find a job. There is a tendency among some parties to label any criticism of immigration as "racist" which basically allows groups such as the EDL, BNP etc flourish because if you ignore problems they can be more easily exploited.
I am also not a huge fan of religious beliefs that promote homophobia and misogyny but that covers more than just immigrant religions.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, I wish people would stop bleating on with that nonsense line, as if I could walk in to someone's house, offend and insult them and then claim "oi what happened to my freedom of speech!! QQ" when told they are being rude, thrown out or given a slap.