Soldato
I suspect kensington and chelsea council have suffered nowhere near the cuts that other local authorities across the country have, Tory councils have been getting much more favourable status then others
Tower block fire - london
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It might be that the cladding is highly flame retardant, but that it's attached to the building with a flammable material (wood/plastic) or that it provides air channels which quickly funnel heat up the side of the building for instance.
Soldato
I can only speak from how we have done over cladding in the past but I have never seen composite panels fixed to anything other than an aluminum frame. Now that's not to say it hasn't here, but I've never seen it in nearly 30 years.
Caporegime
People politicising this tragedy already 
Soldato
People politicising this tragedy already
You will get that because the overriding legislation that governs construction and the materials used in construction, is an Act of Parliament. People will want to understand why this can happen. If it turns out that some government office has suppressed a report that specifically raised concerns over the refurbishment of 60's and 70's high rise stock then its only correct to ask why that happened.
Soldato
Can someone please explain to me why the **** multiple jump mats or life nets were not brought out and placed around the buildings early on when it was clear people had no way of escaping? It honestly beggars belief.
because they dont exist
Soldato
Can someone please explain to me why the **** multiple jump mats or life nets were not brought out and placed around the buildings early on when it was clear people had no way of escaping? It honestly beggars belief.
Honestly the fire brigade seem to have struggled to get close with applicences, it's likely there's not a lot of room around the building for effectively deploy such measures, if they are even in use?
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Can someone please explain to me why the **** multiple jump mats or life nets were not brought out and placed around the buildings early on when it was clear people had no way of escaping? It honestly beggars belief.
Because it isn't the movies.
Actually they did exist and were used up until recently in modern history... I had no idea they had stopped using them until I just Googled them. It seems crazy in this day and age that they can't get large inflatable devices that break falls from large heights, especially, considering it greatly improves the odds of not breaking every bone in your body vs jumping directly onto concrete..
To be fair I'm pretty sure some countries do use them, I swear I saw a news article once about a Japanese suicide/jumper and authorities had effectively inflated a bouncy castle/inflated matt at the bottom of the building in case she jumped. Obviously that's a very different scenario and not as realistic when you have burning stuff falling out the sky!!
I must admit though when I was watching the periscope video I thought why can't they get another one of them extendable ladders like they were using to fight the fire and start plucking people out of windows ?? Hell, just use the one they have got there as it doesn't seem to be having much effect on the fire!!!
I must admit though when I was watching the periscope video I thought why can't they get another one of them extendable ladders like they were using to fight the fire and start plucking people out of windows ?? Hell, just use the one they have got there as it doesn't seem to be having much effect on the fire!!!
Soldato
I'm sure these guys know what they're doing and are dealing with it in the most effective manner.
It seems more logical to me that extinguishing the fire and therefor saving everyone should be a priority over ignoring the fire and saving just the people who are at the windows.
Soldato
because they were dangerous and compeltely impractical, and only worked for a few stories at most
a massive plastic inflatable full of oxygen next to a building on fire that is raining burning debris everywhere?
ok pal
it's in the movies because it is in real life too - in US cities with lots of tall buildings and experience dealing with tall building fires!
because they were dangerous and compeltely impractical, and only worked for a few stories at most
a massive plastic inflatable full of oxygen next to a building on fire that is raining burning debris everywhere?
ok pal
why would you fill them with 'oxygen' ?
Soldato
What was the reason they stopped using them? My Google skills have failed.
Soldato
and what do you think air contains?
its a stupid point anyway
its completely impractical for a fire team to start rigging up a huge inflatable next to a tower block fire, or even a net for that matter, it would have to be massive to survive a 10 - 20 floor fall
even if you could rig something up - the way richdog posted, it was like he was saying the firemen were idiots for not simply whipping out something that they dont have
its a stupid point anyway
its completely impractical for a fire team to start rigging up a huge inflatable next to a tower block fire, or even a net for that matter, it would have to be massive to survive a 10 - 20 floor fall
even if you could rig something up - the way richdog posted, it was like he was saying the firemen were idiots for not simply whipping out something that they dont have
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nitrogen, and some other stuff
tbf, given the amount of falling burning debris, even if they didn't burn/were filled with inert gas, there's still the issue of people jumping into a pile of burning debris, and leaving the window open to help the spread of the fire above.
mostly nitrogen.. did you fall asleep in your science lessons at school?
Why would you fill them with oxygen?
Caporegime
because they were dangerous and compeltely impractical, and only worked for a few stories at most
a massive plastic inflatable full of oxygen next to a building on fire that is raining burning debris everywhere?
ok pal
Well yes that would be stupid but even just a basic netting structure that could be put in place, that didn't require manning that would put people in danger of debris/collapse is better than people falling to the ground.
Soldato
GD - where air doesnt contain oxygen