Tower block fire - london
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We're already down this road, might as well just follow through to the end now and at least enjoy the vileness to come.
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Not a crime in my opinion, or if it is it shouldn't be. I would like to see the people involved take some voluntary responsibility and make an offer of penance through some community work, possible supporting victims of disasters like Grenfell so they can get an appreciation for the plight of the people they were mocking. Now it's out there some enterprising type will have their names out on Twitter shortly, that will be extremely uncomfortable for everyone involved I'm sure. Not that I really approve of the old online lynch mob approach.
From.....?
Well in the proverbial wild west of the internet, if you can't play by the rules (there aren't any), you should quit.
Oh boy, I finally watched the actual video and it couldn't be more cliche with even a St Georges cross flying in the background.
I think I know exactly the type of people they are. They still should be able to do that if they want. Just don't upload it to Facebook.
I think I know exactly the type of people they are. They still should be able to do that if they want. Just don't upload it to Facebook.
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On don't, you'll start me reminiscing about how when I was young all this was dial up tones and geocities pages with a marked lack of people threatening to kill each other over perceived insults in CS:GO.
Pretty sure a few people have been murdered because of Counter strike.
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It was Call of Duty, but there has been swatting incidents relating to CS
But just like the burning of poppies, the Grenfell effigy was fueled and planned with the sort of hatred that relishes causing hurt and offence. It wasn't a spur of the moment stunt for the lols - they acquired cardboard, sticky tape and even went to the trouble of representing the majority ethnicity of the victims with brown coloured paper.
Grenfell has been weaponised by the far-right (Tommy Robinson's Grenfell video for example), and I'd bet a mortgage the perpetrators are sympathetic towards entho-nationalist type politics.
Meeeeeeee all meeeeee
Correction Grenfell was weaponised by the left initially....
Most notably by one Jeremy Corbyn who was supporting seizing and occupying private property as a result of it.
(somehow spending millions on a refurb of a block is an example of tory austerity killing people of colour)
Burning an effigy of the block is a rebuke /reaction to this sort of insidious identity politics.
If Greenfell had just been left as a tragic incident with lessons to be learned about building safety and cladding use rather then a racialised and politicised matter (as promoted by the left) then I don't think we would have seen an incident such as this effigy burning.
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Yes they have, and WoW, and Call of Duty. Because people are simply mental.
It's not mental. The people are obviously not mentally stable in the first place.
If you invest hours of your life into Pixels then losing said pixels is still a huge loss to you, just because it's not normal to most people. It still represents a person's often hard, time-consuming, work
People try and kill each other every Friday night after ten Stellas in the city streets all over the country. That's mental.
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Rubbish
The council spent a load of money on cosmetic improvements, so it didn't look quite such an eyesore to the rich residents. They could have spent that money on actual safety systems or listened to the concerns of residents who were warning of safety issues, but someone decided some nice looking cladding was more important.
The fact that some are in their fifties is relevant. People in their fifties and sixties grew up in the post war years and did so on a diet of "Dark Humor" that makes this look pretty tame really.
Our childhoods were awash with jokes about Death camps, Crematoria and Nazis.
And nobody got all offended!
As for the motivation behind this particular bonfire. I see three possibilities.
#1 Dark Humor of the sort I would actually expect from people who grew up in the 60's
#2 Perhaps a genuine delight at the idea of a bunch of brown people burning. (Which is nasty, But not IMO Criminal)
#3 Or perhaps something really rather more subtle.
A frustrated reaction against the perception that I am sure many White working class people will be feeling that had this been a tower block full of White working class people in Newcastle or Scunthorpe there would have been nothing like as much publicity or political fallout and that there would have been a good deal more oversight in dealing with the relief offered to the survivors. to ensure that only the people entitled to it would get it.
As it is, Money was thrown at this with pretty much no checks for entitlement. presumably because to do so would have been deemed "Racist" (You know, like actually investigating child Sex crimes in Rotherham etc), Massive frauds have been committed, not only by false claimants, but also by council and other workers who took advantage of the lack of any sensible checks to line their own pocketses. (EG https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...money-jailed-nhs-jenny-mcdonagh-a8559156.html)
And on top of that massive scale criminal activity has been totally ignored (Illegal immigration and illegal subletting) in a way that would probabally not have been had this been an all white disaster ("Race" card again)
I suspect that there are a lot of White working class people who are thoroughly sick of Grenfell. Not really because they are hostile to the actual victims, but rather because they are fed up with the way that the Media, Politicians and the chattering classes have made such a big "Thing" out of it.
You beat me too it!
You watch that video and see premeditated hatred towards people who live in the building? actual hatred?
if you do, I think as has been mentioned before, you should take a step back and have a look from a different view.
brown coloured paper? you mean cardboard? Did they actually tell you the in depth motives behind their paper selection?
As expected from you....
Unfortunately I regularly pass through places like labour ruled, overwhelmingly white and poor Salford where a number of tower blocks had to have the same type of cladding removed after greenfell. Your disgusting narrative of this being a tory lead plot of deliberate indifference to the poor and racial minorities is exactly the sort of insidious racialised / class based politics I was referring to
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Hang on, going round some guys house and stabbing him because he shot you in Call of Duty is mental. Deciding that some slight in World of Warcraft is of such a magnitude that somebody else deserves to die for it, is mental. Don't get me wrong, stabbing some guy in Wetherspoons for checking out your girlfriend is also mental. Extreme violence over any petty triviality, is mental.