Tower block fire - london

Caracus2k said:
As expected from you....

Unfortunately I regularly pass through places like labour ruled, overwhelmingly white and poor Salford where a number of tower blocks had to have the same type of cladding removed after greenfell. Your disgusting narrative of this being a tory lead plot of deliberate indifference to the poor and racial minorities is exactly the sort of insidious racialised / class based politics I was referring to
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You are the one mentioning the councils political affiliation and "racial minorities", not me.
 
stuman said:
You watch that video and see premeditated hatred towards people who live in the building? actual hatred?

if you do, I think as has been mentioned before, you should take a step back and have a look from a different view.

brown coloured paper? you mean cardboard? Did they actually tell you the in depth motives behind their paper selection?
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Not really, but they drew one of the characters in a hijab and then laughed as "the ninja" burned.
 
Housey said:
The moment we start to push back on this constant media manipulation of what is important the better the world will become.
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yes - The BBC seems to have become just an extension/pawn to facebook, transparently headlining this too. (following the racial plane incident, ....)
 
VincentHanna said:
You are the one mentioning the councils political affiliation and "racial minorities", not me.
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To be fair you only implied it with you comments about the "rich"....


So why was the same cladding used in poor, white, Labour salford then?

Doesn't fit your implied narrative does it?
 
jpaul said:
yes - The BBC seems to have become just an extension/pawn to facebook, transparently headlining this too. (following the racial plane incident, ....)
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The media used to be about reporting the news with some proper context based on informed and objective opinion in many cases. It was never perfect, but it always seemed to try to do the right thing and at least report with as little bias as possible. Today informed opinion has been replaced by simply opinion from the street with some commentary about that opinion, though rarely if ever disputing it and a rush to be first to the pass with a bit of news, fact checking put to one side. It wasn't that long ago that the whole nation stopped when they saw 'Newsflash' on the TV, no matter what channel they were on, when big events occurred. Today it's replaced with yea yea I read about it on Twitter 30 minutes ago, you lot are useless. It's not really surprising the BBC has become just another soundbite provider, for this is what the nations of the world want it would seem, doesn't matter that much if it's accurate, I can still tweet my angst with my 'homies' and people like me....just give me what you got, my opinion is already formed...
 
Someone has just pointed out to me that they are using the word for a "covert agent or mercenary in feudal Japan". Which apparently is a racial slur directed at female Muslims. Not one I've actually heard of myself, been away too long, but I can see where it's going...

In which case, yeah - it's not on.

If they were just burning a model tower then it would be a bad joke in poor taste; but when you add the little characters and the racist language it tips over the invisible ever-changing edge of what's acceptable, at least in my opinion.

It's simply unbelievable that anyone would think that sharing a video of themselves like this on social media would result in anything other than a total cluster****.
 
With Pakistan, a country we send huge amounts of aid to, wanting to hang Christians, the Islamic State waging a war against the West, their brides being considered for repatriation, and knife murders on our capital's streets and those of other major cities at unprecedented and rising levels, would the authorities not be better employed elsewhere? The burning of an appallingly amateurish cardboard effigy of a London high rise, wolf whistling, teaching a Pug to do a Nazi salute and baiting people on social media seem like diversions the police are ill equipped and ill advised to prioritise at this time.

Last night a local firework display had what I believe is their usual "burn your demons" hour. The burnt effigies included the usual Lady Thatcher (sans the number 2 in the music charts Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" soundtrack as someone had stolen the PA cabling), Diane Abbott, Sadiq Khan, Donald Trump, Jean-Claude Juncker, Boris Johnson, several EU flags, a Welsh flag, and a man burning some number plates. Apparently they were the private plates off a sold and none lamented Bentley Continental GT, the last two years of repair bills having near bankrupted him ;) Another man was seen arguing strongly with his wife as he wished to burn an effigy of his mother-in-law. I suppose it was fortunate none of this was uploaded to so called "social media" and no one has felt compelled to hand themselves in at the local cop shop, (which is un-manned these days).
 
Stretch said:
Technically, it probably is.
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As far as hate crimes go, the greater offense is certainly the media response.

Is a video clip of Grenfell on a bonfire likely to incite violence against "Brown" people? Almost certainly not.

Is publishing the identities and home address of the people said to have made the video clip likely to incite violence against them personally-Hell Yes!
 
I can't see them actually being prosecuted for anything unless the judge is as incompetent as the one who found the guy guilty of teaching his pug to do a nazi salute or whatever it was
 
Orionaut said:
As far as hate crimes go, the greater offense is certainly the media response.

Is a video clip of Grenfell on a bonfire likely to incite violence against "Brown" people? Almost certainly not.

Is publishing the identities and home address of the people said to have made the video clip likely to incite violence against them personally-Hell Yes!
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The crime isn't inciting racial hatred. They've been arrested under section 4a of the Public Order Act.

....which covers intentional "harassment, alarm or distress" caused via the use of "threatening, abusive or insulting" words or signs.

Offences committed on a private residence where a person "had no reason to believe" it would be "heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling" are protected from prosecution under the act.

If they published the material, they've committed a crime.
 
Roar87 said:
I can't see them actually being prosecuted for anything unless the judge is as incompetent as the one who found the guy guilty of teaching his pug to do a nazi salute or whatever it was
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If you don't even know the details of the case, how are you able to pass judgement so easily?
 
Hurt feelings police out in full force, if only the police spent this much money on investigating violent crime and theft, we would be living in a utopia.
 
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