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Yes, intimately, do you?
I had (mains) gas fridges in two properties I rented out in the seventies.
http://home.howstuffworks.com/refrigerator5.htm
Tower block fire - london
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Yes, intimately, do you?
I had (mains) gas fridges in two properties I rented out in the seventies.
http://home.howstuffworks.com/refrigerator5.htm
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Gracious me, I may regret pseudo defending CW here but .... this is perhaps why our social housing system is in utter chaos. Individuals purchasing properties originally intended for social housing under RTB and in turn then able to rent them back out.
Bah; I waited for a whole 10 minutes hoping someone else would have picked this up. Ho hum.
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Exactly - right to buy is/was a terrible scheme proposed by Labour, introduced by Tory councils, enacted by Thatcher, perpetuated by New Labour and abused by Cameron to prop up the failing housing market.
that is indeed one issue IMO, not exactly the best of moves by Thatcher tbh...
on the other hand I'd advocate selling off old run down tower blocks like this as a whole, demolishing them and letting developers build something new/modern on the site... then with the proceeds build even more council housing further out and manage the whole thing on a London wide basis. Council waiting lists are high, we need more housing and frankly the way it is managed without any means testing, allowing people to inherit tendencies and basically skip the waiting lists in the process and maintaining buildings in prime areas of central London is massively inefficient.
It is great that we can take in, for example, Syrian refugees.. but there is no need to house one in a flat otherwise worth say 450k or so - which is more than most people's house is worth in this country. It is a resource needed by many and it should be means tested and handed out according to need, certainly not sold off or passed on because you're related to the person who lived there before or continually occupied despite your situation/income improving substantially (example Bob Crow continuing to occupy such a property despite earning six figures a year).
I don't disagree / Right To Buy was (and is) a terrible idea. But I don't think that's the point CW is trying to make.
Was that an attempt to impress? You failed.
Everyone deserves a place to live. People who leech upon that? Nah. Not good.
The problem with this is that "further out" ends up being nowhere near London. Are you aware of where Kensington & Chelsea Council have been attempting to relocate social housing residents? Peterborough and Hastings to name two places. Nothing wrong with either of those towns, but it's hardly keeping anyone from inner London close to their place of work or communities is it? And this is BEFORE the recent tragedy I should point out. It's essentially social cleansing.
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You have lost me, you asked if I knew how a fridge worked, presumably ridiculing me for suggesting some work off gas, then when I said I had gas fridges in a couple of rented properties, and provided a link explaining how they work, you say something about leeching????
My wife always says I'm far too generous. Till this day I continue to be unsure if she's being sincere or vindictive after trying to sell her the rules to Mornington Crescent some 18 years ago, rather unsuccessfully I hasten to add (she’s American).
That isn't what I'm advocating though and is symptomatic of the problem I'm highlighting in that when you're managing social housing on a borough by borough basis then you'll end up with some boroughs in very expensive areas where housing more people is a massive problem not to mention very inefficient given the price of real estate. Now if it were managed on a London wide basis with more housing being built, funded by the selling off of expensive accommodation then you'd not need to look to Peterborough but could look elsewhere in London.
That's a very good point. A few of hose reels dotted around might make untrained people with no additional fire fighting equipment & not enough manpower more willing to stay to try & fight the fire.
I was in the Navy & everyone on a ship has their job, but everyone is a fire fighter. I imagine fighting a fire in a highrise block of flats is somewhat similar to fighting a fire onboard a ship. You will have a lot of compartments/rooms close together with no natural breaks (like you would with space between houses). A fire in a compartment on a ship is sealed in the compartment(if it wasn't put out by people on scene with extinguishers) until enough people with a lot more powerful hoses, breathing apperatus & Fearnaught firefighting suits are ready to make a re-entry into said compartment. While they are prepping for re-entering, all sides of the outside of the compartment are being sprayed with water to keep the walls/floor/ceiling cool to prevent the fire spreading to additional compartments. Then there's the smoke, it would've been pitch black in there within a matter of minutes & untrained residents on massive adrenalin highs, with no breathing apparatus would be over come within second/minutes.
Yep extremely scummy paper.
The fridge didn't start the "inferno". The fridge MAY have started a small blaze which WOULD & SHOULD have been contained. The BS tinsel all around the building is what caused an inferno.
lol Daily Fail. And equally funny how there are still people out there who defend such a BS news source. Heck I remember my "Doctored mass media" thread and the same Daily Mail Fanboys just trolled the hell out of it like the Daily Mail is the greatest newspaper ever
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I know the point you're trying to make. But there isn't really a cheap part of London anymore. Most of London is ridiculously expensive now, inner and outer within the M25, east to west, north to south. Gentrification has been ongoing for some time on a London wide basis. As has loss of development land and housing stock to overseas investors, who often just sit on it as an investment rather than providing affordable homes.
Let me try and explain this.
New. Gas. Mains. Supply. Was not. Installed. Correctly.
Environmentally friendly cladding (installed under EU directive and grant) Created. Annulus.
Leak from poorly installed new gas main permeates into annulus.
Faulty appliance causes major heat source.
Fire. Catches hold.
And spreads.
Rapidly.
New. Gas. Mains. Supply. Was not. Installed. Correctly.
Environmentally friendly cladding (installed under EU directive and grant) Created. Annulus.
Leak from poorly installed new gas main permeates into annulus.
Faulty appliance causes major heat source.
Fire. Catches hold.
And spreads.
Rapidly.
there might not be a 'cheap' part but there are certainly 'cheaper' areas than say Kensington and Chelsea or Westminster and there are plenty of ways to both increase the available stock and make things more efficient in terms of resources - some of those solutions aren't necessarily well liked... the bedroom tax for example to do with under occupancy is perhaps badly implemented on a national level but if you had a big enough area such as London then I don't see why someone who is in a 3 or 4 bed home couldn't be moved to a 1 or 2 bed home once their kids have grown up and moved out... shouldn't need disincentives like the bedroom tax but simply tenancy agreements that only apply for fixed lengths of time until being renewed/reassessed according to need (i.e. number of bedrooms required, income etc..)
I think having some social housing is important but I also think it needs to be efficient and should be based on need, I'm certainly not of the opinion that it is for everyone in society but rather should be for the people who need it most
These towers normally have no gas supply. I'm taking it this one did?
A so called "expert" that was talked to on one of the live streams covering it said no gas and it would have used boilers in the basement or something and radiant heat? no idea if its right or not.
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Joining up the words to make sentences would help you make your opinion less tedious to read.
I wasn't wanting to know a more in depth resume of what you feel may have caused the fire,
I wanted to know what you meant by "leeching" and by suggesting something I wrote was an
attempt to impress that failed. Can you tell me about those please?