Tower block fire - london

antijoke said:
Why do we not have concrete numbers yet of people that are still missing?

Is it not rather straightforward to get a list of those that were registered as living in the building and then getting all those still alive cross referenced and checked off.
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What about guests and visitors?
 
Caracus2k said:
I don't think its 'ok' I just don't think everything is avoidable. A lot of materials uses in building construction are flammable as fire retardance is not he only quality needed......


unfortunately we have the usual social media lynch mob in full effect who are all to keen to appoint blame (at their political opponents in the main) before we know even half the facts
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I can't imagine any property that would be more important than not putting hundreds of lives at risk.

The blame lies squarely in one place. The renovation was overseen by a Tory council, run under a Tory government that had voted against stricter building regulations.

Someone messed up and it's cost the lives. Greed, malice or negligence, has to be one of the three.
 
Shoza said:
Yes but they issues guidelines and best practice on building schemes / technical specifications for things like this?
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Unless they become THE regulatory power which overlooks the Building Regulations then it's moot what they release, you don't have to use NHBC currently. They wouldn't be my choice, I would rather see something like the BRE take it on.
 
Firestar_3x said:
What about guests and visitors?
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Yes guests and visitors as well, but as a primary list surely it's those that lived there, x are are in hospital, x are safe and x are yet to come forward.

balky12 said:
Unfortunately there could have been visitors, peoples away (perhaps on holiday), illegal lodgers. Exact number will probably never be known.
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You would imagine if people who lived there were on holiday they would be eager to contact the relevant authorities to let them know they are safe and were not in the building.
 
antijoke said:
You would imagine if people who lived there were on holiday they would be eager to contact the relevant authorities to let them know they are safe and were not in the building.
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Well yes, but it's probably not unheard of for people to go away and have a break from technology, then there are long haul flights. People might just ring family/friends to let them know they are safe and not the authorities.
 
Reading some of the accounts from the victims of this, Gloria Trevisan for example, and how they were making phone calls etc that became increasingly more desperate as the fire climbed up to their floors brought me to tears this morning. Feel sick. Truly cannot believe something like this can conceivably happen in this day and age. Utter, utter, outrage.
 
antijoke said:
Why do we not have concrete numbers yet of people that are still missing?

Is it not rather straightforward to get a list of those that were registered as living in the building and then getting all those still alive cross referenced and checked off.
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I asked a similar question earlier in the thread yesterday and there were some good reasons listed in response.

And, without being overly morbid, it's quite possible the fire burned so hot it may simply not be possible to distinguish individual remains.
 
Woden said:
I can't imagine any property that would be more important than not putting hundreds of lives at risk.

The blame lies squarely in one place. The renovation was overseen by a Tory council, run under a Tory government that had voted against stricter building regulations.

Someone messed up and it's cost the lives. Greed, malice or negligence, has to be one of the three.
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a good rule of thumb is that explanations that try to explain everything end up explaining nothing. the Tories are not and cannot be the excuse for every ill In the country. Get down of your pompous, self righteous horse, stop trying to make some crude political capital out of the misery death and loss of others before the facts are in and have some respect and decency and allow for proper due process.
 
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antijoke said:
Same, it doesn't seem possible that a fridge exploding would cause this level of devestation. I'm not assumong CT's at all but there really do seem to be missing bits of information.
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Fridge exploding, cigarette down the sofa, petrol through a doorway, a single match. Doesn't really matter how it would have started: the effect would be the same once the fire takes hold.
 
nkata said:
Dwellings need fire safety certificates to get insurance if nothing else therefore they need inspections by the Fire service amongst others.
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Not any more they don't. I heard one of the fire officers on the radio on the day of the fire saying they hadn't inspected the building since the law changed. He was specifically blaming budget cuts. The BBC were all over that, but it seems to have been dropped.
 
antijoke said:
Same, it doesn't seem possible that a fridge exploding would cause this level of devestation.
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It's called a sequence of unfortunate events:

1: Fridge explodes, owner can't do anything because he decided £10 was too steep for a kitchen fire extinguisher he would probably never need.
2: Fire from Kitchen spreads to outer cladding of building via window, cladding ignites because the (now liquidated) subcontracted who installed it used cheap non fire resistant type.
3: Fire spreads to multiple floors, the decision to remove the asbestos fire protection due to the mythical health risk means it now spreads throughout those floors at increased speed.
4: Multiple floors are now burning, due to the decision to remove the hose reels (HSE now prefers people to run from a fire not fight it) the fire is unfightable from the inside, the decision not to replace the hoses with automated sprinklers renders escape almost impossible.

By the time the Fire brigade arrive the tower is completely engulfed in flames, all because of a fridge.
 
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