Toyota Yaris GR4 4x4 Rally going into production.....

I'm not really a hot hatch person and indeed wasn't even in the market for a 2nd car. But this came along and excited me and is affordable, so I thought why not. It's perfect for all the rainy nasty days where I'd rather not use the 4C (mainly the visibility is an issue) and the 5 year warranty with track use really made me think OK I can use the Yaris on track then change the 4C to something really special I'm too afraid to track...

Hopefully end of next week I'll have mine :d, excited.


Think you will love it, Toyota seem to have been able to make an AWD car that is far from numb and just full feel, though it is capable of landing you in huge trouble with the police simply due to the speeds it can carry, it is also full of feel and fun at legal speeds too, quite an achievement for an AWD car, particular a modern one, my EVO X had 415HP and was crazy capable car but was very tyre sensitive and could be numb at more legal speeds, the Yaris seems more alive, I think as others who have driven it have commented what is really helping the Yaris is that low weight.

Cannot wait to get more miles on it as I am still resisting full throttle, only quirks I've found so far which is no doubt due to it been a 3cyl is it does like some revs to pull off even sedately.

If you don't like it, moving it on at a profit shall be easy, the FB groups are full of people trying to buy people's cars lol.
 
@Gibbo how do you think this stacks up against the current hot hatch competition i.e. M135i, A35, Golf R, S3, CTR etc as this seems to be the most comparable class it is pitching at albeit comming in at the cheaper end?

I do appreciate the GR is somewhat unique like the Evo was.


The GR is more akin to a Porsche GT product, but with a rubbish interior and hot hatch proportions, though the hips are pretty wide.

If you want to drift, M135/140i, if you want badge snobbery, pops and bangs and section 59's A35/A45, if you want drag strip winner and bank robbery car, Golf R, want similar to Golf R but more understeer and better noise, RS3. Want a track weapon for dry days, CTR. Want an all year round B road blaster that also works extremely well on track in all conditions, Yaris GR. The Yaris is a very special car, built by engineers, I think its closest rival is the CTR as they have a similar ethos of been drivers cars. The advantage the Yaris has though its a Yaris by name it is actually a totally bespoke car built from the ground up, whereas most of the other hot hatches are just regular models with bigger engines and some trick suspension.

Its a bit like the best convertibles are those built as convertibles from day one, compared to a coupe with the roof chopped off. The GR Yaris was built to be special from day one with a clear plan to go and win rallying, if Toyota do limit the numbers it will be one very special car and values in the future could explode, if they keep on producing them then the values will no doubt get hit just like any other hot/hyper hatch.

Like Chris says, it has the X factor as to speak and the fact you can move the power around changes the driving experience somewhat. :)
 
Thanks that's a helpful insight. Definitely sittingly uniquely in it's own market segment then.

I have been considering a GR for a while but I suspect in reality it won't be suitable and as much as I would love to own one, I need a balance of practicality with performance being a secondary trait.


Yeah it is not too practical, it has back seats but any adult in back won't be comfortable, ok for smaller people. Boot is also tiny, but seats do fold down giving a larger boot. Interior quality is poor.

Just took it out for a lunch time blast to grab some food via the long route, the brakes, OH MY the brakes, think this car has the best stoppers of any car I have owned, beats the 458 and even my 911/M3 just so powerful but the modulation/feel is amazing, bit annoying that when you do brake hard the hazards flash but there again its probably for the best.

The cars ability to change direction is uncanny.

Made me smile though on my little run out, had a Skoda estate tailing me for a while and he pulled along side and wound his window down and was like wow that thing is stunning, this was coming from a 50+ man and he even said it sounded good which because it sounds amazing on the inside, but on the outside I thought it was silent but it must make a bit of noise when your accelerating. The best bit was when he asked what it was followed by what engine is in it and I said a 1.6l 3cyl, the look of utter shock on his face. :D

Then heading back towards office another guy hanging is head out of his car at a set of lights with a big thumbs up and wow stunning car.

It seems very well liked by the public, even though so far they don't know what it is but whenever I park it I do look back at it. Upto 250 miles now. :D
 
Remove the rear seats, lighten the car up some more and have a bigger boot, win-win.

Yeah maybe, not sure what they weigh but for now gonna leave them put.

I'd say though for those who want to drop weight:
- Lithium Battery - 15-20kg
- Rear seat delete - 5-10kg
- Toolkit if it has one, I've not looked to be honest.
- Titanium full exhaust system - 15kg or so

So its probably possible to drop nearly 50kg or so without dramatically spoiling the car, then I guess your looking out front bucket seats, further interior deleting, but this car is so akin to a Porsche GT product that Toyota already did most of the work for you, so now its just a case of enjoying it. :)
 
Thanks, this is the honest opinion I have been looking for. It certainly doesn't detract from the car but shows it's definitely not the right one for me.

It's been hard to establish this from the online reviews /vids.









I feel bad for even mentioning the M135i xDrive now and in the Yaris GR thread but following on from Gibbo's comments, in reality this ticks all the right boxes for me, leaving the Yaris as a pipedream. The 128ti on front wheel drive looks to be a current pricing sweetspot but that's competing against the Golf GTI and equivalents.

Given the state of our roads and weather, I do feel a 4WD system in a hot hatch is almost essential for real world daily enjoyment.



If it was not for my Mrs I'd have forgotten about the GR in all honesty, been more interested in sorting house recently and searching for a classic car. But I re-checked about them and thought OK this does look serious, the first wave of youtube videos came out and it seem to good to be true, so I put my order in.

Got the car now and its epic, its fine as a daily but its far from perfect, cheap interior (seats are great though), fuel consumption to me is great, but as Simon allured too its nothing special also but its probably not much worse than other hot hatches.

M135i X-Drive will be far more practical due to more interior space and a far superior interior quality. Its a BMW and it should still be a nice car to drive.

But if looking at brand new M135i X-Drives, maybe also look at some used approved BMW's at a similar budget see what else you can maybe get, F80 M3, M340i maybe, no idea if they are a similar budget but if they are I'd be hunting down an F80 M3 in fire orange or one of the other bright colours, a lot of car for the money now they've done some depreciation and BMW approved used will still come with a warranty.

If / when I sell the M5 and if I still want another 4 door saloon type car the F80 M3 / Alfa Quadrifoglio will be high on the list but as the M5 just cost me a bit of money to sort out I am keeping it for a while to enjoy.
 
How does it feel power wise / power delivery compared to an evo with it having a smaller 3cylinder ?

Less laggy engine is more flexible which does not compute considering it’s a 3cyl 1.6l but that I guess is how far technology has come along.

I thin in real world performance there would not be much in it but the EVO had a little more urgency beyond 4000rpm but in fairness I’d expect that as it had 150 more horses or so but due to weight difference the Yaris feels very potent, over 300 miles now as got my brother early this morning and it’s has no issue performing overtakes and because of the engine flexibility and very short gearing 4th gear is exceptional in this car.

I think it’s lack of weight and very short gearing is what let’s it punch well beyond its weight as to speak and the brakes are literally Porsche GT class if not better.

I think one of these tuned to 350-400 horses would be absolutely mental on the basis if it can still put the power down, but freezing cold conditions zero traction issues and I’ve found when it runs out of grip as long as your not ham fisted and modulating throttle it is very communicative and progressive.

The car eggs you on big time and it’s very capable and though it feels fun at all speeds it could get you in a lot of trouble and for that reason I’m keeping my exhaust stock to try and stay of the radar so to speak.

Don’t burn me alive but I love the fake noise it makes on the inside!
 
Burnnnn!!

I can't believe the sacrilege coming from someone who owned a saleen :cool:

Interesting to hear though, thanks for the feedback.

One car I wish I never sold, so miss it and did consider getting one again but having owned it twice it was time to try something else American.

Fake sound is a good sound, not so sure an exhaust will be a good sound on the Yaris suspect it would probably be just loud noise that’s more annoying than pleasing.
 
It was one of the most impressive cars I've passengered in, I don't know why, but the shove was better than almost everything else I've experienced, and I've been in hyper cars at Vmax.

Yep it was impressive but I guess it was maybe due to how mechanical it was and even though people like to think of American cars as heavy it was pretty light compared to modern cars as I think it was just under or over 1600kg which for something with 600HP is not bad but just very basic engineering and a manual it had a rawness and strong pull to hit, but the fact it could accelerate from 20mph to 165mph in 4th in no time. Shame it got crashed and blown up!
 
Hi there

OK nearly 400 miles in, lots of driving on mainly B roads, seems the best kind of roads to run in a car as good use of gears, different elevations and use of most of the rev range, also some town driving.
Let us focus on negative stuff as generally this car is all about how amazing it is but I like to try and be very fair.

- Most annoying thing, the car can hesitate pulling away if you just try to ease clutch out and then gently accelerate, I think its a 3 cylinder trate and not something I am used to and as such it does catch me out from time to time like when you come to a stop at a red light which then immediately changes so you release clutch same time as applying a little throttle and the car just feels a bit dead, I need to train my muscle memory that this car does not instantly rev fast with light throttle input so its safe to give a little throttle and then let clutch out, all is fine. In short always pull away with more than 1500rpm on the revs, ideally 2000-2500rpm even in just regular driving. I suspect its a combination of 3cyl and turbo, I am adapting to it and essentially driving around it.
- Interior plastics, scratch mega easy, so be very careful, I brushed the glovebox and it marked it, thankfully some cleaning has removed it but I am seeing other owners having similar issues and not getting so lucky. Treat the interior like an egg shell, it is cheap.
- Not a negative but I do want even more power. :D
- Steering wheel is the coldest steering wheel I have ever held, why on earth does the UK not get a heated wheel, yet Australia does, where is the sense in that!
- Visibility could be better, I am not too bothered as such by the mirror/tablet I find they don't interfere with my view but because there is no bonnet you cannot see it, but that is just me and I also think my drivers seat might be broke, it does not seem to want to adjust up or down, my guess is its on lowest setting as I cannot see the bonnet and its a lower seating position than my Abarth was so maybe a good thing also.
- The xenons are only OK, the Abarth's were better but for whatever reason it had fantastic xenons, these are about on par with the S2000 and M5, as such for night driving I do use the fog lights a lot to illuminate the more immediate pavement to the sides.
- The lane assist and stop start is annoying, if anyone comes across an option to code these out at startup be nice, I have noticed an electrical connector on the battery negative terminal, is this start/stop control does anyone know? I only ask as my Jaguar SVR was a similar connector and unplugging it permanently disabled stop/start so I no longer needed to remember to press the button.
- Be cool if the infotainment tablet screen could also display cool stuff like boost, AWD distribution, speed a bit like a GTR does, but this does not.
- The heaters are a bit weak, full front screen defrost is not that powerful.


I am literally nit picking at the above, the only thing that bothers me is the gentle pull away and the cold steering wheel, the rest is me been petty but trying to be totally honest with the car.

The good stuff, you've all seen the videos, it is all true, brakes are outstanding, grip is amazing and on the limit which is very high there is plenty of communication and it seems progressive, as long as your not full throttle, I suspect if you go full throttle just like any FWD/AWD car it could drag you off the road but the balance is fantastic, the hint of understeer is very minor and only at the limit, the sport mode does feel somewhat rear driven but at the same time it won't drift but it might let the rear step out for an instant, I have steered into it letting go twice and over corrected on both accounts as generally its not required, just turn in more the back end is very faithful. Gearbox is also fabulous and though it is much faster than a 0-60 of 5.5s suggest due to the very short gearing and lack of weight, I would like some extra power so will look at the DTUK tuning box which seems the best of them all due to them owning several Yaris themselves and also using several customer cars to fine tune and with a solid 30-40HP gain for the £450 it is great value or £599 if fitted by Toyota. I won't be touching air intake or the filter for the 1-3HP it is not worth the hassle or risk to the MAF. I will watch exhaust development closely, not for noise but just in case a certain downpipe and OPF delete or whatever its called can yield another 20HP or so safely as supposedly a few owners are reporting 330HP with a box and custom exhaust setup, but I do not want any extra noise, its lack of noise means you can thrash this car down a back road and you don't get any members of the public giving you hand jesters or looks that could kill and it really is the kind of car you want to do a full send around every corner, so its best to keep a low profile and keep the noise emitting from the exhaust to a minimum.

Also the TRD carbon interior stuff, I had my Mrs cancel it when I realised it was £400 and still not available, told him lets keep carbon to minimum as its a big expense and a never ending hole, told her if she really wants to get me a present, wait another month or two until DTUK have perfected their maps for the tuning box and then get me one of those as its something that owners are raving about and works very well, also good to wait just in case some of the engines do start popping, only one engine down so far and that is due to a money shift at the ring.

Unusual for me I have still not washed it, so in person its getting filthy, but I just want to drive it and get it run in. :D

Couple of pictures:


gr1.jpg gr2.jpg
 
:DSensor in battery post is for the BMS to know battery load to manage charge and count current in and out, not purely for start stop so I’d leave that.

Sojnds good so far. Similar to my insight even super light and electric assist pulling away from rest is hard work with more revs and clutch slip than you think needed. 3 cylinder trait maybe? One thing though: I don’t think you can technically run a car in if you are using the full rev range...


Get a carbon glovebox cover for the scratches :D


True I am still avoiding full throttle, but now its passed 300 miles I have been letting it rev out to around 5500rpm quite regular, not launched the car yet and only gone full throttle like 2-3 times namely otherwise just partial throttle but using revs. Once I am at 500 miles I will stretch it more again and start using full throttle more often. Toyota just state in the manual, no hard braking until 180 miles and no full throttle ideally until 600 miles, so I've broken the latter rule a couple of time, not worried its gonna explode as most owners seem who got one seem to have left the dealership on the limiter or gone straight to the track with them if permitted. But I do want to try and give it the best shot in later life but at same time don't want to molly cuddle it too much in case it also has an adverse effect, am also using all the drive modes just in case that helps the AWD system and I also did figure of 8's within first 20 miles to fully lubricate the differentials. So far with the car I have had zero warning messages as a few seem to be getting reduced power messages on partial throttle around 2500-5000rpm, I've done this a few times and going uphill and car has zero issues and of course many have had the AWD system overheat or diff overheat message, which I have not, will be interesting to see that when I do go full abuse mode once ran in if I can get or trigger these messages or if running in does help reduce the risk.

Hoping though by end of week I can go absolute full send and give me another couple of weeks and no doubt be tuning it lol. :D
 
Short gears and light flywheel might be why it's more difficult to pull away.

Maybe maybe its a more an issue for me as my other cars are very response NA cars but in fairness I am frankly amazed by how flexible the engine in the Yaris is, the Abarth was very laggy you could floor the throttle in the Abarth in 3rd gear at 1500rpm and nothing would happen until 2500-3000rpm, whereas the Yaris will pull quite eager from 1500rpm with some light throttle and very much so from 2000rpm and it also loves to rev whereas the Abarth was giving up around 5500rpm. So pulling off aside its a great little engine that is really very good for what it is.
 
This sounds like something I've experienced on my car, caused by the electronic throttle. If you disconnect the battery on mine, it causes the ECU to lose it's calibration of the throttle pedal range of movement. The result is that the pedal feels dead for the first few millimetres of travel, which of course leads to irritating behaviour when letting the clutch out.

I think it goes away after a few hundred miles of driving, as the ECU relearns the pedal throw, but there's a procedure on the GT86 to sort it:
1. Turn on the ignition (don't start the engine)
2. Fully depress and release the throttle pedal 5 times.
3. Start engine and let it idle until warm.

After doing this, the pedal feels instantly sharp again.

I'm not sure if there's something similar for the Yaris, but the behaviour sounds exactly like that. It might be worth looking in to seeing if it's caused by the electronic throttle (I assume it has one). Of course, it might be something which improves with more driving anyway.


Thank you, I should put in my post that it does very much feel like the top of the pedal has a dead zone, of course you want there to be a dead zone at the top of the pedal in an NA car to keep driving smooth, particular motorway but its needed to a lesser percentage in turbo cars and maybe Toyota do have a bit too much of a dead zone in the first few percent of throttle travel or maybe it is as you say it needs to re-learn, I will give your idea a try as it cannot do any harm and maybe the unloading from the transporter and driving on and off boats gave the car some bad habits. :D

If it is the throttle mapping I guess the easiest solution would be a pedal booster type device, but only issue is then the second half of the throttle will be useless, only kind of thing a true remap can fix as they could change throttle mapping, the three different driving modes seem to have little impact on throttle sensitivity also. I think they literally just change the power split really.
 
Spotted what I presume was you Gibbo Sunday morning, driving up onto the hills from near your house, car looks fab IRL.

Yes that was probably be me, would have been heading to my Mum's for lunch via the long scenic route and similar back, very lucky to have such great roads in our area.
 
When you realise how long it takes to drop revs when revving at a standstill, you'd think it has a very heavy flywheel. I might be wrong though..

Glad you're enjoying it Gibbo, I knew you would. I almost feel as though I'm missing out by not having one of my own, but there's very little value in me swapping the STi for one or having both :D

Yep it is essentially in a way a more focused EVO/Subaru due to its lack of weight, but it has one major shortfall, no rear doors and a tiny boot. Pointless car to have alongside a Scoob or EVO really and in the Scoob will alway win hands down on a sound off. :D
 
Had my test drive today. Biggest take out for me, fake noise, hated it, too loud and sounds like an old diesel tractor. The infamous issues of seat height and mirror I had no issue with. The ergonomics I thought were very good, wheel to gear lever, seat etc. Didn't try any heal and toe.

Mixed impressions, still digesting it, I didn't cancel actually hand over my private reg number certificate. It was a close call though, but with a 2 year 0% offer I think it's worth having a couple of years experience, it will always be a desirable in demand car I think. It felt like a blunt instrument, not one of finesse and balance, just chuck it about and boot it doesn't matter how. Impressively capable and safe and easy to drive safe. No real steering or balancing on the throttle.

Does feel like a light flywheel and very responsive as the pick up is impressive with it's low gearing, very punchy, surely its best quality. Didn't notice any issues pulling away. Gearbox yep feels great.
Ride a bit disappointing, though that was to be expected compared to my active Tractive suspension I'm use to. Not harsh I guess helped by being on 18" rather the often used 19" wheels people fit. Keeps its line great bit bouncy and over sprung. Hate to say it, but may be Litchfield may be right with a Nitron mod. Plus a geometry set-up.

My gut feel people will get bored quite quick and start mod'ing, ie gets some real exhaust noise, DTUK box and suspension kits.
It is as reported, very capable and effective at achieving its task, very quick A to B. Engaging, fun and involving are sacrificed a little I feel. A great tool, but will take longer to bond with it. Roll on May.


I felt a little similar after test drive but now having owned it I don’t regret it one but, my car seems to drive better than test car but most of all it’s my car and getting to learn it’s true abilities and drive in my favourite roads well it just gets better and better!

Like you say I’d you dislike it moving it on will be easy and you may make a few quid in the process.
 
I see Robert Mitchell who runs Apex at the Nurburgring missed a change and blew his engine. The BIG advantage of DCT boxes on track is missing gears is removed as a risk. Easier to do than you might think on track when you are pushing hard.


The box is close ratio too so I think it can certainly be done easily, but the car suits a manual very well and it’s a nice manual, still be interesting to just see how quick one of these would be with a DSG style box lol.
 
Run in miles done, so I properly ragged it and just me in the car, it has certainly got plenty of go in it and used the expert mode which I think is mostly all systems off.

The car has a lot more feel than any EVO or Subaru I have owned or driven and has very mild understeer towards limit, I just love how engaging a car it feels at both legal and crazy speeds but it’s damn capable. Think it would be incredible around a tight sprint circuit.

I will add more power at some point just because I can but I’m gonna wait for the tuning box options to get more perfected or proper tuning come out. At 1200 miles I’m gonna speak to RRG Macclesfield about have a safety check along with unscheduled oil service and maybe other fluids change as makes a lot of sense on a brand new car that’s been run in and as of yet I have no plans to get rid of it, it’s a superb all rounder. Interior however seems to get marks from just looking at it, the plastics are absolutely terrible.

Guys at Tegiwa sorting me some free stuff, got a GoPro mount and in couple of weeks time they’ll sort me a mirror relocation kit.

Great car all the hype is true they have built a real masterpiece. So far I’ve had no warning messages or any issues whatsoever with the car.
 
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